Solution: just poop in the car/on the bike/on the sidewalk.

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What? I said “Solution”, not “Good Solution” 😆

No, legally too, they will use your protest as justification if a sufficiently rowdy one cannot be exhibited. And then when your protest ceases to exist, they’ll fabricate an incident to justify escalation.

The people in charge are already fully monsters who will wield the law as needed to get their dirty work done, regardless of how peacefully you protest, regardless of how perfect a victim you make yourself, regardless of what the law says.

Okay, I watched their Ted talk. The red flag for me is the clean separation of revolts into either strictly violent or strictly nonviolent. It is my view that a more careful study of the history of all the revolts labeled successful and partially successful would reveal that many if not all of those revolts succeeded because of the complementary (if not collaborative) efforts of both nonviolent and violent protests. History glorifies the nonviolent protesters because they’re easy to lionize, without any of the ethical complexities that violent protests invite.

IMO it seems like they went in looking for a hypothesis and managed to spin the statistics to justify it. I’ll look into their research as I’m sure it goes into more detail, but I’m so far not convinced.

Yeah I’ll get around to it, although I’ve heard that claim before and I don’t disagree with the need for mass mobilization, some of which is going to be nonviolent. But IMO the nonviolent parts of the revolt need to collaborate with the violent parts of the revolt!

Becoming a domestic threat justifies implementation of curfews, and potential suspension of assembly rights for the needs of public safety.

No it absolutely does not justify that stuff. Being a threat to the powerful is not the same as being a threat to the average person.

Vietnam was successful because we were forced to attack on unfamiliar territory. You’re suggesting bringing violence to them, right?

I’m suggesting that the working class defends itself against the capitalist using a diversity of tactics, including violence if necessary and possibly a revolt, and that violence is necessary. On average, these fascist fucks don’t know our homes, our neighborhoods, our cities, or our wilderness as well as we do. I think there is a chance of winning if we organize as groups willing to fight.

We’re not talking about pulling a “Home Alone” on ICE.

I’m not against that 😈🏴

Violent resistance is a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety

Same with nonviolent resistance! Worse for nonviolent resistance! Did you see what the pigs did to those protesters in LA? All over the country during the No Kings protests?!?

and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.

Fascists don’t need to be emboldened. They are already fully monsters. No matter how peacefully you protest, the fascists will treat you as if you revolted.

How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?

Not as many as you think! Remember Vietnam?

The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.

I emphatically reject these claims. Both nonviolent and violent resistance is necessary, and in fact they need to collaborate. The following quote from the Black Catalyst Revolt Guide is relevant:

If we are to learn from the successful movements of the past, we can see that all successful pressure has been the collusion of the peaceful and non-peaceful aspects of the movement, such that the peaceful party can lobby the state to concede, saying to them “now see? Wouldn’t you rather deal with me than them? Sit down and make some concessions to those suffering people.” Meanwhile, the non-peaceful protesters escalate the aggression of their actions such as to put a clock on the state. Direct action should therefore not be seen as a chaotic byproduct to be avoided. It should instead be seen as a necessity as to extract outcomes for the movement. Ultimately, if the demands of the protests are not met, revolution should be the threat. In this way, we are to transform the government to our whims, not vise versa.

EW NO I like this flag better 🏴😈✊

We had/have/will have nothing to be proud of, ever.

I mean I like bread for 🏴🏴🏴 reasons, but what does lemm.ee have to do with bread?

If we are to learn from the successful movements of the past, we can see that all successful pressure has been the collusion of the peaceful and non-peaceful aspects of the movement, such that the peaceful party can lobby the state to concede, saying to them “now see? Wouldn’t you rather deal with me than them? Sit down and make some concessions to those suffering people.” Meanwhile, the non-peaceful protesters escalate the aggression of their actions such as to put a clock on the state. Direct action should therefore not be seen as a chaotic by-product to be avoided. It should instead be seen as a necessity to extract outcomes for the movement. Ultimately, if the demands of the protests are not met, revolution should be the threat. In this way, we are to transform the state to our whims, not vice versa. And if it does not concede, we will have built the bodies of prefiguration that will be prepared to replace it.

— Black Flag Catalyst Revolt Guide (Partial video reading by Anark here).

We need both peaceful and non-peaceful actors. Obviously for individual actions (non-peaceful and peaceful) you gotta use your own judgement as to whether or not they’re helpful, but we absolutely need some non-peaceful actors to get shit done.

Even still, there is no good version of America as a piece of culture or ideal worth living up to. In all its forms, America is a vessel for white supremacy and settler colonialism. Even when distinguishing between the current US government and any other moment in American history, the reality is that at no point has America ever been a good project for the people it lords over.

As Americans, we need to make a clean break from the “America” brand at all levels if we ever want the rest of the world to trust us ever again. “Liberal” patriotism is still patriotism and needs to be smashed.

The liberal experiment failed

Nope. The liberal experiment in the US has succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. Racism and settler colonialism are alive and well, capitalists run the country, change is impossible for ordinary people to enact, and the government is slowly transitioning into the streamlined violence-only institution it was designed to be.

The Founding Fathers were monsters too, but they were monsters with decorum and a slightly larger base of support (capitalist class) than the feudalism of yesteryear (royals and the Church).

America was trash and is trash and always will be trash as long as it exists, and Americans need to mobilize against the American government, police, and army as if they were an occupying military presence, because they are a military presence occupying our public spaces.

Don’t blame the soldiers.

The State is deploying National Guard troops on community members to defend ICE. I said nothing about assigning blame to anyone, but now that you mentioned it, I will emphatically blame National Guard members who follow this disgusting order. Otherwise, I don’t care about assigning blame to anyone at the moment.

Things that make me want to unalive myself

I mean…I don’t think she’s actually that Poppy?

https://xcancel.com/imnotpopbase/search?f=tweets&q=knocked+loose&since=&until=&near=

No results.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=poppy+singer&t=fpas&ia=images&iax=images

I’m not good with faces, but the person in the screenshot seems to have a different face structure than Poopy goddammit brain stop that Poppy.

Like it just seems like a random dickhead who also chose the name Poppy.

Maybe this is libbed up, but someone here probably knows a national guard volunteer, at least some of whom probably don’t want to go out and fight their fellow community members for ICE.

Yeah, and she and Knocked Loose absolutely crushed it on live television, on Jimmy Kimmel of all places!

Hi I’m also a respectable conservative, I want to melt the poor for biomass but in a respectable way /s

Shit meme. Everyone everywhere needs to adopt a policy of zero capitulation to reactionaries and their framings.

To any conservatives for the rest of time: fuck top category conservatives just as much. Yeah you’re just as bad as the bottom category, but you’re just enough of a fucking snake to hide your worst impulses and blend in with polite society.