Shake747

Hah “military cult empire” - that’s a great name for the people/parties you’re referring to.

The UK’s labour party did all of that reforming in the mid nineties though, but I see what you’re trying to get at with the coup’s and neoliberal economic movements.

I’d really like to see what you described (the definition you gave for actually being “left”) - in action. Unfortunately, democracies are inherently not very secure (tech may be able to solve some of this), because of other countries and bad actors. Open borders would make this even harder.

Would there even be a government in this situation? Or would this be more akin to a socialist technocracy?

Do you have any examples of any that have done it yet? Without centralizing any sort of power?

If Democrats and the Labour party (socialist democrat) aren’t left, then what is?

Fair enough, it’s not an issue if you think blanket statements are good enough to be deal breakers.

I just hope that kind of black and white way of thinking doesn’t lead to any resentment, and leaves room for individualism.

-5 eyes was started in 1946 by democrats

-im not sure what you’re talking about with the cameras, but look at the UK, that surveillance state was started with 5 eyes (the “labour party”)

-if money is the topic, the left wants to create a centralized digital currency to do exactly what you’re talking about with credit cards

-censorious police state “stuff” happened during covid, perpetuated by the left

Remember net neutrality?

I’d like to point out though, that the right doesn’t make great strides either, but I don’t need to give examples of that to people in this thread.

A 2 party system is hot garbage, and it’s about being as divisive as possible to pump up your side.

It’s like a Coke vs Pepsi advertising war

Of course everyone deserve equal rights, and yes, the social programs could be infinitely better if we put even more resources towards them.

However, with recent internet restrictions, censorship, and identity politics, we’re also actively being harmed by the left.

That doesn’t mean what the people on the right are doing is any good either, I’m just saying it’s not good to lump everyone into these black and white categories. It creates the weird tribalism we see here.

Great response, and I see your point.

I agree that books shouldn’t be banned, but also probably not all books belong in schools, but should still be purchasable (which I believe is the case you’re referring to in Florida)

I don’t agree with the coercion and censorship that took place during covid, which is why I would lean away from being left. That being said, women (and everyone else) should have full autonomy of their bodies, which is why I would lean away from being on the right.

Nuance can also be something that brings us together, because I think most of us do have some common ground somewhere.

Even the hygiene example can be nuanced.

Is it that they don’t trim their toe nails often, but shower daily?

Is it that their nose hairs are long, but their hair on top of their head is well kept?

Where does this black and white line get drawn?

Everyone from different cultures (micro and macro) will have different answers.

We can all be stuffed into boxes for one thing or another. But I don’t think it’s so black and white.

Putting people into boxes doesn’t really help anyone.

People are more nuanced than that.