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I’ve not denied the one happening now, I’ve criticised it.

Looks like we’ve come full circle and you’ve run out of material.

What genocide am I denying? You’re a pathetic liar.

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Maybe I should’ve added in that it was specifically referring to the US in my first comment, but I also wanted to use it as an example to show that there is some significant nuance and depth to the subject.

In any case, most of the world does understand US terminology in some manner. For example, the Philippines courts referenced “so-called Miranda rights” when establishing their law.

You can just say “I’m choosing to invoke my right to not answer questions at this time” and as a bonus, that works everywhere that has such a right, including the United States ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That’s exactly what I did in the comment you just replied to:

At the initial interaction with police, you should identify yourself, then clearly say you cannot answer questions without first getting legal advice. Then shut up and don’t answer questions.

But that doesn’t include the story about the lawyer dog, which seemed relevant to this post with a dog giving legal advice.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criticise

Mine was an alternate spelling, yours had a completely different meaning.

*predicated.

The history is far more complicated than that. Israel wasn’t really born out of a desire to ethnically cleanse Palestine, it was born out of a desire for a Zionist homeland and for independence from the British. Immediately afterwards, literally the following day, the Arab nations attacked.

Furthermore, Palestine was never really a country over the last 500 years, not until 1988. It was a region in the Ottoman empire, then it was under British control, then it was proposed to be split such that a nation of Israel and a nation of Palestine could be established - however Palestinians rejected this multiple times. Even in the Palestinian Declaration of Independence they didn’t really define their territory, saying “The State of Palestine is the state of Palestinians wherever they may be” but referencing the UN Partition Plan.

By all accounts, when Israel was established in 1948 they wanted their own territory in the region as partitioned by Britain/the UN, they didn’t want control over the entire region. It was only after successive fighting between Israel and Palestine that Israel developed the attitude they display today.

Whether or not Zionists, Israel, the British or the UN were right in pushing for the formation of an Israeli state is another matter, but the Israel we have now is a direct result of the wars that were fought, wars that Israel won each time. This is markedly different from colonialism, where one nation rules over another but then later grants independence and goes back to ruling its own territory - Israel do not have any other territory to go back to. Palestine taking an “all or nothing” position, as they have over the last 70 years, just isn’t a workable solution as it puts Israel in the same boat.

Absolutely, however the right to silence is not universal. There are circumstances in some jurisdictions where you can be compelled to say things. In such cases the things you say cannot be used in evidence against you (right against self-incrimination) but they can still lead to evidence that can be used.

Even the US has a bit of this, for example you can be compelled to give over a password. To draw an example, if you were investigated for robbery and had the password “IRobPeople”, then the password couldn’t be used in evidence against you but any evidence they find when using the password could.

Yes, I would be one of them. However that still doesn’t mean what I’ve said isn’t generally best practice, even in areas where it’s not fully required per case law. At the initial interaction with police, you should identify yourself, then clearly say you cannot answer questions without first getting legal advice. Then shut up and don’t answer questions.

Although, if you really want to get into the nitty gritty, other jurisdictions may have more extensive requirements for what you must say, so shutting up isn’t necessarily the best advice everywhere, all the time. There’s also subtle differences between the right to silence and rights against self-incrimination.

In the UK, which first started using right to silence in the 17th century (and then spread its law over much of the rest of the world), inferences can be made from silence. No conviction can be wholly based on silence, but it can be the wrong move. In some situations, eg fraud and terrorism, the right to silence is reduced and you may be obligated to answer. In these circumstances you cannot legally remain silent, but you are still protected against self-incrimination.

You shouldn’t just shut up after identifying yourself either, you should explicitly state that you are exercising your 5th amendment rights and then shut up. Talking afterwards can be taken as rescinding your 5th amendment assertion.

Famously, a judge once ruled that saying “Yo, I want a lawyer, dawg” was actually not a 5th amendment assertion, and that the suspect was genuinely requesting a dog who practices law.

The proverbial lawyer dog, just be sure not to ask for him.

Oh come on now, you criticise me, but you’re the one who thinks bloody murder is justified. You really are reprehensible.

Yeah, America would need to stop supporting it and its ongoing genocide for that to happen

Yes America is everything that matters in this situation. Grow the fuck up and step out of your basement.

Anyone murdering civilians is sickening.

Imagine if Hamas had only targeted military installations in their attack, allowing almost everyone at the festival to flee and not raiding villages. Their incursion was incredibly effective - they could still have used drones to take out cell phone towers and prove that Netanyahu’s early warning system was deeply flawed, and sniped the skeleton crew in the guard towers, then they could have focused their efforts on infrastructure damage to the military base or other legitimate targets. Hell, they probably even could have still taken a few hostages to use for actual negotiations - and in this scenario negotiations would be far more realistic to happen.

Exercising restraint would have presented a far better underdog for the world to get behind. It would have clearly shown that Israel’s defence was weak. Instead, they allowed themselves to be riled up by their financial backers and went on a killing spree, putting the focus squarely on them, not Israel. Most people don’t even know how they did it, just what they did when they got in, because what they did was so shocking. This played right into the hands of people who just wanted an excuse to expend some ordnance and kill them all.

There is a simple solution, but it would either require Israel to stop being an ethnostate or stop existing

It’s simple to say that, but the practical application of doing that is anything but simple.

There is an active genocide happening, and I wish Israel would stop.

That doesn’t mean I agree with the coordinated strike by Hamas on 7 October. Frankly, I don’t think any reasonable person could see that as achieving any useful objective for the safety of Palestinian people. It was highly effective at killing Israelis, but the net result could only have been more suffering for Palestine.

There’s definitely no easy solution - if there was the problem would have been solved by now. All anyone can say is that what’s happening now is wrong. Meanwhile, there are many people profiting from the situation. Warmongers gotta monger some war.

My view is that Netanyahu wants to benefit from war, and that Hamas have been encouraged by people who want the same. 50 years isn’t all that long ago to most people, but hardly anyone in Palestine is old enough to remember the last Yom Kippur war.

I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.

In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.

Yes, that was shitty of me. It was a sarcastic comment against someone else (hence the :P), who also had their comments removed because they were behaving worse. But on Uplifting News, my comment really wasn’t appropriate regardless. I deserved to have those comments removed as well as the brief temporary ban there. That was good moderation.

However that has nothing to do with hexbear or anything we’re talking about here.

Focusing specifically on the comment I had removed from hexbear (quoted above), and the message I sent which led to the site ban (you can find that on Chapo from around that time), how was I being an asshole? How was my comment “genocide apologia” and how was I “malding” in the message?

I don’t think you can actually back that up with any sound reasoning. Hence, the moderators at hexbear are shit, which makes the place a dumster fire.

Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.

here’s one of your removed comments:

mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by TWeaK@lemm.ee

So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.

the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)

It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.

Be specific, which part of that was me being an asshole?

Looks like you have a year ban at POLICE PROBLEM then a 5 day instance ban on another account. Although, I’m not sure it is an instance ban, I had a similar one that had no community in the modlog but I was still able to comment on other lemmy.ml communities (this could have been a federation bug).

Multiple accounts have had a bunch of removed comments under “Rule 1” and “Rule 2” bans (which are kind of bullshit as they don’t actually reference which set of rules, the modlog doesn’t say which community it was removed from and also most rules are just bullet points and not numbered). Typically these are either bigotry or “Be civil/respsectful”, which way around they are depends on which set of rules. The former is often misused all over lemmy, but the latter can cover any hostile comment.

Currently you have a ~2 month long ban from .ml’s World News, but that does seem to me a problem community from what I’ve been seeing.

This one was funny:

2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

reason: PUNISHMENT TIME BITCH!

2 months ago - mod - Unbanned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

reason: liberal

I can just imagine the look on the mod’s face when they realised their reason would be published to the modlog, trying to go back and change it only for it all to be set in stone. What’s interesting is they didn’t remove any comments.

Were they bans from lemmy.ml, or from specific communities within lemmy.ml? I’ve only had a ban from !worldnews@lemmy.ml

Edit: Actually maybe it was for the whole instance lol, not sure, I hadn’t noticed I was banned for 2 weeks anyway.

Edit2: Seems it was just the one community, I was commenting on other lemmy.ml communities just fine. However the modlog doesn’t say which community I was banned from. Generally, the modlog should contain more information.