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Like, “be manly, suck it up, don’t cry” kind of stuff?

What does this imply, exactly? They aren’t responsible?

Yeah, if it’s truly just an attempt to not admit your bigoted beliefs, then it’s a fair callout. But there are also cases where the insulting bigoted comment joke is supposed to make fun of the people who actually hold those beliefs, and those are fair game.

It’s factory installed bloat. But a lot of legacy software relies on it, so uninstalling it is a hassle.

Max is like that player 001 from Squid Game, isn’t he?

Maybe it has learned from previous occasions. Mine doesn’t suggest either option.

Just FYI, the phrase is “per se”, not “per say”. It’s Latin for “by itself”.

Yeah, I’ve been know for being too brief for my own good.

That almost looks like a wizard jat. Not to be confused with jizard hat.

No, my actual interpretation is explained in another response. I’m still very confused how people think that I’m in any way pro-Trump, while I called him moronic in the same comment. And this was your “most charitable” interpretation?
Tl;dr: I was taking about media blowing it out of proportion based on how he said it, causing desensitization.

I totally agree with you, and in no way Trump should be taken lightly. But my original comment was misinterpreted by many people and it steered some of my following responses (like the one you’re replying to now) in a different direction. My original point (laid out in a response to another comment) is that this specific case of blowing things out of proportion by the media causes desensitization and will only reduce the engagement in the future. And this happens often, Trump will say something insane or fascist in his unstructured dementia-induced rambling speech, and then never mention it again. Meanwhile, the media will put it on full blast for a week for the views. People will focus on that one-off stupid thing he said and miss the real issues with him and his party that need to be address.

At this point I’ll admit that using “let’s move on” was a little bit triggering and acted like a red herring. Everybody thought I mean “let’s move on from discussing Trump being fascist”, while I really meant “let’s focus on actual issues”.

I really felt the need to respond, but I promise this is the last one this time.

Goof faith means that you make an honest attempt at understand what a person is telling you and if you disagree try to change their opinion with arguments. Saying “shut the fuck up” on your first comment does not fit into that picture.

If somebody gets offended by what you said doesn’t mean that the statement is offensive. It’s ultimately subjective, yes, but if we were to label things, then it’s decided by a general consensus. If I, for example, tell a Christian that I don’t believe in their God and they get offended my statement doesn’t become offensive, it’s on them for getting offended. With that in mind, nothing I said in my original comment would be considered offensive by a rational person.

I’m yet to see how what I said was wrong. Let me do a brief rundown of the responses:

• A couple of “let’s move on from fascist rhetoric” and “fascist complacency”.
  I have already shown that this is a misinterpretation in my previous comment to you.
• “That’s how you get fascist regimes.”
  You don’t get fascist regimes for holding the media accountable. But again, misinterpretation.
• One person calling me an asshole twice, implying that I support Trump and am saying that we shouldn’t care that he said that.
  Just an attack based on some assumptions.
• Your comment about brain worms.
  Honestly, I’m not even fully sure what exactly you meant, but I’m guessing you’re implying that I’m trolling? Which I’m not, as you can see from my rational explanation from the previous comment. Not trolling, not lying. Just don’t like when the media cries wolf for views and then desensitizes people to real issues.
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In conclusion, nobody interpreted my words correctly and thus can’t be telling me that what I was trying to say is incorrect, and few really tried. Perhaps I should have been more clear from the get-go, I just assumed that people would understand what I meant. But my previous comment should clear everything up.

And I’m not defending myself here. I’m just trying to get people be more understanding and less reactionary. I have higher standards for Lemmy than I have for Reddit and the rest of the social platforms. But that might be the hopeless romantics/optimist in me. I’ll learn from this and lower my standards.

Have a good one!

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Saying “shut the fuck up” (even in scrambled order), “this asshole” (from another user), and even “stop saying that shit” isn’t “good-faith” criticism. Good-faith criticism is “I disagree because <reasons>”. I said absolutely nothing egregious and offended nobody. If you think you see something egregious in what I said then you misinterpreted my words.
You said people aren’t making assumptions, but there’s a couple comments in this thread who said that I’m supporting Trump. Others, like you, insist that I’m downplaying it and don’t care that he’s a fascist, which I have neither said nor implied. There’s of course a couple reasonable responses, too.

Now, one last attempt to put the record straight. Yes, I still think he stumbled into saying it accidentally. By that I DON’T mean he isn’t thinking it or doesn’t mean to do it. I only mean that we should be focusing on more concrete terrible things that he has said and done, of which there are plenty. Media has run with this specific event for so long only because it’s easy to sensationalize due to the way they report it, it seems like he stated it clearly and deliberately. Because that’s what I thought when I was seeing all the news and thought “damn, did he just straight up said that? has he become that bold”. Then I watched the actual video and saw that he just kinda walked himself into blabbering it and played it off as a joke. If a person on the fence will see these the news, go check the actual video, see that it’s blown out of proportion they might ignore the future criticisms of Trump. And media caused that for a couple extra views.

Anyway, I don’t intend to continue this empty discussion. I’ll just leave you (general you) with an advice to not put words into people’s mouths, and not to insult/attack people you don’t know. We will all benefit from it. Cheers.

I wasn’t downplaying anything, after everything discussed, you still insist that I somehow don’t care about what he said.

I would also not complain if people engaged in good faith and were trying to politely convince me that I’m somehow wrong. But instead it was just assumptions and insults. Yes, I’m absolutely not in the wrong for stating my reasonable, but perhaps controversial opinion. It’s the people who attack and be rude who are in the wrong.

But anyway, while we were arguing here media has already moved on to another thing, so all good here. Apparently, he said something like “criminals are criminals”.

Not everyone is wrong. But it happens occasionally and then people pile on. I’m guessing it’s just people looking for an outburst.

My comment says “media and memes should stop milking it”. Which is the only thing that they are doing. There’s nothing to discuss. This isn’t news, we all already know he’s a fascist dictator. The only problem is that some people support it. You should’ve started being terrified long ago when he was acting like a dictator, not when he accidentally mumbled being one.

Why is Lemmy so rich in people hell-bent on interpreting comments in the worst possible light, then make assumptions about the author based on that interpretation of a single comment? Oh and then proceed to be rude, in one shape or form.

Do better, people. Don’t be jerks.

You end up with an authoritarian regime by saying things everybody already knows? I’ll be careful not to tell people that water is wet.

Wait, are you calling me an asshole? Just because I’m tired about hearing old news for 3 days?

Boy, people on Lemmy are no better at making assumptions about people out of thin air.

Exactly, we all already know this. Democrats and those who weren’t gonna vote for him anyway already know this and it won’t affect their vote. Republicans and those who were gonna vote for him really hope he’s a dictator and are glad to hear this. Will continue to vote for him.

Him accidentally stumbling into sorta saying it openly doesn’t change anything.