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  • It was three distinct points. But it wouldn’t matter if I did reason it out for you - your stance is emotive, and you won’t agree with me unless that viewpoint underlying your stance changes, and it won’t change due to someone reasoning it out for you.

    The slow grind of time, and the steady erosion by nature may cause you to change, though. Fortunately, whether it does or not, it’s basically irrelevant to me whether or not you believe or act as I do.

    Edit, in response to your edit:

    You sure do assume a lot about me. But, so it goes. Again - I’m not really concerned with whether you think like I do or not. You can even hate me if you like. I don’t expect you to come to my viewpoint by anything I say. My viewpoint is different than yours, and that suits me fine. Such is diversity.


  • Nature will undoubtedly provide a grisly and cruel death. Animals don’t have a concept of “long, well-lived life full of meaning.” They do have a direct experience of “having food and shelter and being generally free of pain is enjoyable.”

    It doesn’t matter if it’s in their prime (before they decline and life becomes difficult) or of it’s after their prime - except that if you wait too long, life starts to suck pretty bad.

    If you want to end predation, you’ll have an eternal task on your hands.


  • Except in rare circumstances, mostly human ones, animals (including humans) don’t want to die, and die anyways.

    The best we can give them is a fervent (typo) decent life and a humane death. The meat industry is atrocious at this, and carbon dioxide is a terrible idea - particularly when nitrogen is readily available, humane, and cheap.


  • Nailed it.

    There’s a legal obligation to extract the most value for your shareholders. This doesn’t apply in sole proprietorships or partnerships with a more centralized ownership, where there’s the realistic potential to have a conversation with one of the others (or internally) and say things like “let’s do y, because doing x would be fucked, even if it made me more money.”

    In a publicly traded company, you can literally be sued by your shareholders for not putting profits first. This puts a background pressure that slants the odds in favor of enshitification. And whole industries are based on utilizing slightly uneven odds, so that has a real impact.

    As you said - without being publicly traded, people can still be evil, but they aren’t nearly as likely.








  • I’m comparing capitalism to communism. If your issue is with that, I can’t help you.

    If your issue is with me using Christianity as an example of a system that is broken in a similar way to communism, perhaps I can elaborate if you’re interested.

    By ‘capitalism,’ though, I simply mean ‘capitalism.’ Sorry to disappoint you, bud, but the liberals aren’t the problem.

    Now, I don’t have a fundamental problem with capitalism, it’s just weak in that it trends towards inducing and rewarding short-term thought, but it fundamentally depends on long-term thought.

    Like anything, it can be a useful tool, but it’s definitely the principle of a “whole-ass ideology”.