Finally we can join Grace in enjoying a MeBurger

That’s really interesting given how it’s an important aspect of most other popular faiths

Can you elaborate for those of us who don’t know shit about Judaism?

Was the point to make money? I figured it was just a publicity stunt/tourism draw

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It’s going to be basically impossible impossible to address this. You’ve asked incredibly broad questions and I’m typing on my phone with arthritic thumbs. Anything I miss or can’t exhaustively lay out convincingly you’ll just say “well what about that thing”.

Well, yeah - when you’re advocating for a very radical change in societal structure, with potential downsides ranging as far as actual genocide, I feel like it’d be irresponsible to not point out flaws perceived in the proposed structure (or - lack of structure - as the case may be). You’ll forgive me for not just taking your word when you say “we’ve got it figure out bro”.

why if you want detailed answers you can really only find them in books

The trouble with reading an argument in a book is that it’s a one way conversation. It’s easy to present an idea in a way that seems totally sensible, when you’re the only voice speaking. I don’t doubt that you’ve ready many anarchic books that make sense when you read them, but the fact that you and others are having trouble distilling those arguments in a comprehensive fashion here shows that the arguments made in those books were probably not as compelling as you perceived them to be when you read them, but were just presented well (likely with a bit of confirmation bias sprinkled in).

I would say I’m not sure why you seem to think centralisation leads to superior manufacturing capabilities or agility in decision making

History and modern economics? Can you point to a modern nation that is heavily decentralized with a greater industrial base than it’s centralized peers such as China and the US? As for decision making, I’ll grant you that on small scales a lack of centralization works in your favor. Trying to get 100 people to decide on something is a lot easier than 100 million, but when dealing with a military or economic threat from a centralized power, 1 million separate decisions made by groups of 100 don’t actually help.

It’s not as simple as big military beats small military, look how badly the usa failed in its various wars since ww2

True, though guerilla warfare certainly wouldn’t be unique to anarchism. And while I agree the USA has failed in pretty much all of it’s military goals since WW2, I’d point out that the targets of those military campaigns were completely decimated by the time they withdrew. Small comfort to your anarchic society that they weren’t completely conquered when every village has been drone striked into rubble.

I’d also point out that the failings of the US military since WW2 has infinitely more to do with the fact that none of our wars have actually had meaningful objectives. During the cold war, each one had the dubious unofficial objective of “embarrass the SU”, the wars in the middle east were fought for purely economic reasons (whatever might have been stated publicly), which is a goal they did actually succeed in.

As to not having an exact answer for every conceivable problem: it’s not like our society has one either. It’s not designed, we’re making this shit up and it is failing catastrophically to address challenges like power and wealth concentration due to technology, ecosystem collapse (we are in a mass extinction ffs), and climate change. Further it almost ended the world several times over during the cold war!

I don’t disagree with this at all - but the fact that the current systems aren’t working well doesn’t mean we should just ignore problems in proposed alternatives.And ultimately i don’t see how implementing anarchism actually fixes any of the problems you describe, given that all the problems you describe are fundamentally rooted in the flaws of human nature.

Hell, Climate Change in particular is one that would be basically impossible to actually solve in an Anarchic society. Say I wanted to build a super-polluting factory in our anarchic society, I go out where there aren’t any people currently living, use my own resources to build said factory, and start polluting. Whose to say I can’t? Who would even know what I’m polluting? I don’t disagree that our current society is fucked - but just because the current system is broken, doesn’t mean we should toss it out for a half-baked one just because it’s different.

The less centralised things are the less vulnerable they are

I’m sorry, but how do you arrive at that conclusion? If I roll in with a giant, powerful military from my centralized state, how does being less centralized make your position easier to defend? The less centralized you are, the less capable of a coordinated defense you are, and the more likely it is that your territory will be conquered without being able to present a meaningful resistance.

And if you were referring to an internal threat from a populist leader, then that’s assuming that the individuals involved don’t let said populist leader make them more centralized for easier control - if you’re just relying on the individuals always making the right decisions, then frankly you’re doomed.

they’re guaranteed to hold on to it for very long

Absolutely, and judging by history the typically dont. But a wannabe tyrant can do a lot of damage through their rise and fall, and tyrants have descendants.

, if you’re interested then there is a lot of ink spilled on the subject. Either from the perspective of actually existing anarchists or theoretical books.

And I’m sorry but “just devoted weeks/months of your life to read anarchist literature” isn’t a replacement for an actual rebuttal to my points, I have done some reading on anarchism, hence why I understand the concepts well enough to talk about them, but of course I’m not going to spend huge amounts of time reading up on a political system that I think is fundamentally flawed, and I’ve yet to come across any argument in your comments or others that actually negates any of what I’ve already said, most of it boils down to “we’ll just figure it out bro, trust us”

The history of the Spanish civil war might be quite interesting to you, as the anarchists had to fight the strongly backed fascists, obviously eventually they lost but they did pretty damn well! lots to learn there.

Completely irrelavent scenario (and if it was relavent, the fact that they lost would support my point), the Republicans of the Spanish Civil War weren’t from an anarchist society (nor were they all anarchists). They were residents of a non anarchist society who rebelled, using existing infrastructure created by the existing non-anarchist society.

The closest real analogue is what happened to the native Americans during the colonization (though even that is a very loose analogue, as many tribes were very very far from anarchic, though some were very very close to it), and we all know how that ended from our history books.

Ultimately this is the core problem as I see it - a hierarchical society will always be militarily stronger, practically by definition - and if history has taught us anything, it’s that weak neighbors get eaten by their stronger neighbors.

Additionally I think most of these idealized community structures are overly optimistic about the likelihood of a charismatic leader coming along and getting people to follow them, and then not letting them withdraw that power. Anarchists talk about hierarchies without formal power structures, but what is actually stopping someone whose already effectively in charge from turning that power into something more permanent, especially if they’ve convinced the populace that they want that?

Its happened an endless amount of times all throughout history, and I really don’t see why it wouldn’t here. Ultimately it just seems like a fragile system that relies mostly on every single individual being perfectly rational and immune to the draw of populist leaders. Aka - completely unlike actual humans

Swappable batteries was the big one for me

Back in the day when they were actually focused on putting features into phones instead of stripping them out…

Unironically this is a pretty good piece of “evidence” - don’t get me wrong rapturing isn’t real, but we’re talking about internal consistency here, not reality - if rapturing is real, then the Shroud of Turin is real, which means that the marks left on it must be typical for divine dissappearing acts 🤷🏼‍♂️

There’s no Fremen on Caladan.

I know? What does that have to do with what I said?

Arteides happen to be one of the good royal families,

You already lost me, the Atreides aren’t “good”, they’re just populist and spend more energy on PR than the Harkonnens.

Their plans with the fremens is a pretty good example. Their plans with the Fremens was to turn them into a private army to use against the Emperor. They were going to use the fremens hatred of the Harkonnens as a recruiting tactic, but they weren’t helping the fremens by any means. They were planning to trade fremen lives for Atreides power

There are really no “good guys” in Dune. Paul isn’t a hero, he’s a warning against the concept of heros

It was also not Paul directing the subsequent crusades against the imperium, it was the fremen, who were zealot warriors.

Actually he did - because he saw in a vision that not directing the Jihad would lead to even more death and destruction

Both Paul and Letos reigns defy categorization in a lot of ways simply because a lot of the reasons behind their rule and mechanisms behind their government rely on fictional things (mainly prescience)

I do agree though that Fascist probably isn’t the best label here - certainly it was a flavor of totalitarianism in any case

Totally doable, use a multicolor printer and print it like 3 layers thick - you’ll get thin flexible plastic sheets.

Not actually practical, but totally doable lol

Are those real?? And even if they are, id imagine they’re for married couples, not a serial killer and his rando fans

Even if it is, they’re conveniently skipping over the fact that even I their own untrue version of events, they still spent their life in prison after being caught (also pretty sure they don’t let you fuck “fans” through the bars in prison, but hey - I’m no expert)

This was my go to method of meeting people at college parties (which is admittedly a slightly different environment), but it never failed to work. Long as you aren’t giving off “creep” vibes most people are also down to meet new people

Also, most people who just have bows laying around only have relatively dull target arrowheads, you’d want a proper hunting broadhead or similar, else you’ll just wind up with brain damage and medical bills

what if you lack the fragments needed to reverse engineer/reconstruct a means to access the information?

Well that’s a different question, because now it sounds like you’re assuming that significant data loss will occur before it’s read. If the storage unit itself is damaged in the meantime to where it’s data is corrupted beyond recovery, then yes - that’s a potential total loss scenario. Assuming however that the storage unit remains intact, I don’t see how a dedicated team of smart individuals couldn’t handle it, unless their technology is somehow inferior to ours.

It’s also worth considering that this storage unit probably won’t be their very first interactions with modern data storage systems. This may or may not be their first interaction with a data storage system that was actually written from modern times, but unless we have a total technological collapse in the intervening 10,000 years, chances are they’ll have records from our time that have been copied over however many thousands of times to make it there. Afterall, to use a much less extreme example, I don’t need to get my hands on a CD-Rom or Floppy Disk burned in 1991 to get a copy of Linux 0.01, it’s been copied over and over through the years and is now available for download online. Data will surely degrade over time, and large chunks will get lost as people stop copying things they think are no longer important, but I feel pretty confident in the idea that enough pieces will make it that far that these scientists (techno-archeologists?) won’t be starting from scratch