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Lemmygrad still can send all the kulaks to the gulags. But only when the discussion happening inside their hard drive. Aka “I take my ball and go home”

They do not get to silence the rest of the fediverse/c/books

This isn’t the first time I have proposed this, but the pushback leads me to believe the owners do not want to relinquish power to the users. Lemmy it seems, is a community for owners. The interests of instance owners and their delegates come first.

I think we will need the digg & reddit story to play out all over again so that in 10-15 years the next exodus out of lemmy might lead us somewhere we can actually be free.

If it requires the owner’s consent, it defeats the purposeof my proposal.

It is expressly to disempower the owners in favour of the users.

Thst makes lemmy , a reddit with many /u/spez , but in practice it will end up like the actual internet of today, where only 5-10 sites control everything.

This process is already far along on lemmy, already very centralized and all the incentives are in place to make it even more centralized.

I expect the settlement of the defederation war, will create 2-3 cliques of the largest servers that each silence the rest of the lemmyverse on their property.

Give it a little time and they’ll probably make themselves fully private cliques.

Makes communities other than the one big one visible to nonlogged and default users without extra steps.

In effect this makes all communities global by default.

It’s an hypothetical community, so they’re hypothetical moderators/owners. I’m not sure how to respond to “who are they”.

They’re some bad hombrés…

No multireddit cannot solve this problem.

They are not a default agglomeration view so they will never make a difference as most users never change their defaults.

Covered in more details here

https://lemmy.ml/comment/7734804

A community cannot escape the stranglehold of moderators with a multireddit, because most users will simply not have it the backup community setup in their multireddit. They will never see dissenters posting in the backuos. And that makes multireddit largely useless

Yes, the majority of content would still come from bigcommunity/c/books, the crucial difference in that system is that posting in otherserver/c/books would get the same probabibility of being viewed by random and non logged users.

I cannot emphasize enough how important that is. It is the only way to break the stranglehold that bigcommunity/c/books will always have over almist every lemmy users.

Without this, this is just reddit all over again. Meet the new boss, same as old boss.

I don’t see how agglomerating vuew of all same name communities for the user impact you as a server owner ?

You still have totalitarian control over everything happening on your server.

You can still

Delete all post and comments

Change any text in any post or comment even if made by other users and without their notice

Ban any user

Ban any community

Even ban all users and all communities (whilte only model)

Yes, syntax link like /c/community@server is incompatible with http.

I already posted to anotherserver/c/books and no one ever saw it.

Posting anywhere but biggestinstance/c/biggestcommunity is functionally the same as not posting at all.

And of course, the owners of biggestinstance/c/biggestcommunity believe in everything you don’t believe in and they really don’t like you in particular.

Welcome to new reddit, same as old reddit

What point ?

The point of becoming a moderator that decide what everyone can and can’t say ?

The point of “making another reddit but I’m /u/spez” ?

If it is not the default and automatic, then lemmy is a pointless reddit clone.

You have to filter out what you don’t want because it is not possible to undelete what has already been deleted.

Users will just circulate ready made blacklists of spammer and thoughtcriminal communities to automatically remove them all from their feed.

The alternative is that only the biggest instance and the biggest community will matter and writing everywhere else is just a exercise in pointlessness

Any opt-in approach will be irrelevant. Most user never change the defaults.

Example are “multireddit” feature. Statistically speaking, nobody used them and they never mattered.

Imagine a combination of /r/books /r/books2 and /r/books3

Owner of /r/books goes mad with power (as tgey all do) abd sells out the community.

So you post in /r/books2 because you use the multireddit, and if everyone else did, the defective owner would be transparently bypassed.

But what actually happens ?

To 99% if users in /r/books, you have simply ceased to exist. New users still to biggest /r/books and never know of the alternatives.

Multireddits are socially irrelevant.

The default MUST whole fediverse aggloneration which the users filters out what they don’t like out of

By manual removal of individual communities

By including or subscribing to circulating blacklists of communities (think spamfilter lists)

And by the owner of their instance defederating from other servers.

Posts are moderated by the delegates of the owner of the hard drive who stores them.

Rule sets are irrelevent make belief justifucation for censors.

I just had a comment deleted “bevayse if rule 3”.

I hope you can see with this farcical example that rules do not matter , never have mattered and will never matter. It just the powerful telling you “because I told you so” with extra steps and while giving them the feeling that they are not a bad person.

Which is another centralization incentive.

Don’t want to be ostracized because your user is registered on the wrong politic instance ? Join biggest instance instead.

Going to the biggest local community of the biggest instance is always the way of least resistance.

And that’s how you make a worse reddit with extra steps.

The big instances are bad enough but big communities are absolute killer of decentralisation

When you go to /c/books on your server, you don’t see an agglomeration of all /c/books on all servers of the fediverse. You only see that server’s /c/books, if it even has one.

This is a fatal flaw of lemmy which concentrates power enormously into the hands of the owners.

The default view should be all /c/books on all federated servers, with an easy way to filter only local posts.

Lemmy will turn into reddit if this is not quickly rectified.

When will there be default view agglomeration of posts sent to identically named communities. For example /c/books. The current setup cntralizes power into the hands of whoever gets traction first on the platform. If I go to /c/books on any server, all posts of all federated servers’ /c/books should be visible. This way no server owner gets the stranglehold on the community that they host.

I just tried ntfy, it works ! How do I self host the server if you don’t mind?