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  • umbrella@lemmy.mlto196@lemmy.blahaj.zonerule conditions
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    MLism isn’t a good example of socialism.

    Its the only real example my dude, ive implied its the biggest reason its the movement im in, but ill say it explicitly now. i keep having to repeat things wont be perfect from the get go, if your expectation is perfection or nothing then you will get nothing. i’m not advocating for countries be exactly like china or russia either.

    Wow, I didn’t realize the USSR ended in 1919. I’ll have to tell my friends. The October Revolution had 0 deaths on either side.

    I never said it didnt. You are purposefully misinterpreting me at this point.

    thats only true if you consider the beggining of the revolution. look up who funded the white army and why. also look at revolutions literally anywhere else they were tried instead of cherrypicking and you will see an opposite trend.

    sounds like tankie media lionizing China

    china themselves said they would before they did (look up their 5yr plans btw, they frequently achieve their goals), and to much lesser extent western analysts. not “tankie media”.

    i have no reason to believe your western bullshit over them on matters pertaining to chinese internal affairs, when you yourself is parroting the ‘infrastructure made of sand’ crap

    Wow, I never realized that fascists playing “we’re socialists actually”

    you are the one doing that. ive seen you present zero solutions or alternatives so far, and lies and misrepresentations about the ones we have. you cant consider yourself a socialist if you are an anti-communist who hates literally all socialist experiments ever tried, and repeat the western red scare propaganda about every country that ever tried it.

    ML lifted maybe a couple of hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, and improved living conditions to hundreds of millions more, those are historical facts that even non-fascist neoliberals ive listened to avoid disputing. you could also present better ideas instead of criticizing something you don’t seem to understand nor have the curiosity to learn about. kindly go fuck yourself.

    honestly at this point i have no reason to talk to you any further, you are turning a debate of ideas into name-calling. i love talking about politics, but this ain’t happening here anymore.


  • a society weighed down by decades of stunted development due to mismanagement industrializes

    yes, this is precisely the point of bothering to free ourselves with a painful and dangerous revolution, and a big part of why socialism is desireable. no capitalists making decisions solely for themselves.

    China’s infrastructure and housing are literally falling

    this one is simply untrue. they overbuilt housing and infrastructure on purpose. now that they have and excess of it, recently redirected their economy away from real estate, they literally massively divested and popped the bubble recently to focus on manufacturing instead. i also don’t expect every socialist country to be perfect and never make mistakes, even if this one ain’t it.

    this sounds like the usual western media smearing of china, be careful about it since we are in the middle of a cold war.

    Then why did Lenin abolish them?

    soviets remained a thing before and throughout the entire existence of the USSR, again they are central to the ML strategy and democracy.


  • longevity aint the only metric. in fact socialist economies are pretty well estabilished to be the fastest growing and provides the quickest growth to quality of life. china’s growth has been unprecedented for a reason, the ussr was similar.

    and saying MLs think trade unions are illegitimate is a big strawman. they are literally central to our strategy for revolution & democracy.


  • umbrella@lemmy.mlto196@lemmy.blahaj.zonerule conditions
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    6 months ago

    i am assertive when ive done my research, ill ask when i dont. history is more complex and nuaced than knowing everything or not. i dont follow personality cults but i’m very aware of bias in traditional western media.

    ML-adjacent revolutions are mostly still the most successful ones we ever had despite their problems. they worked pretty well long term.

    i dont expect everything to be fixed in one comprehensive revolution.


  • umbrella@lemmy.mlto196@lemmy.blahaj.zonerule conditions
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    6 months ago

    my own research shows nothing about a gay genocide in the ussr, although i havent looked too closely in this topic.

    im literally trying to talk to you and know your fucking opinion on it.

    you can find me asking questions elsewhere without all of this resistance.