For me it feels like breaking up with someone after many years. At the same time, I feel a bit dirty mentioning the name in the post title.

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    You can theorize about semantics all you want, but don’t try to gaslight someone who was physically attacked by actual, real Nazis, who describe themselves as Nazis and can’t be seen as anything but Nazis.

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      TL;DR: You create neo-nazi’s.

      Nazi’s are members of the Nazi party. Nazi’s, like the party, no longer exists. What does exist are Neo-Nazi’s. Semantics, perhaps, but when talking about “Nazi’s”, details become important. With that in mind, I wonder if you can tell a little more about who attacked you how?

      In any case, I’m not theorizing nor gas lighting you. I’m talking about actual and serious problems that exist because of what you want.

      I’ve been called a Nazi multiple times by, well frankly, by people like you. Why? Because I disagreed with them. Our disagreement here, for example, would be enough to call me a Nazi. I’ve been banned from multiple subreddits because of that. What happens here is that people with differing opinions get pushed away to places where they get pushed more and more in right extremist corners. What you want ends up in people getting more extremist. If you want to resolve that, if you want to avoid being attacked by neo-nazi’s, then talk to people before they become extreme…

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        I’ve been banned from multiple subreddits because of that. What happens here is that people with differing opinions get pushed away to places where they get pushed more and more in right extremist corners. What you want ends up in people getting more extremist. If you want to resolve that, if you want to avoid being attacked by neo-nazi’s, then talk to people before they become extreme…

        This sounds like a threat

        If you’ve been banned specifically because of people thinking you’re a nazi, and you’re arguing getting banned will push people to farther extremes, brother thats not a good look.

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          Not at all meant as a threat, just pragmatic thinking. If you don’t allow mild dissenting or disagreeing opinions, which happened and still happens at reddit, those people you push out will go to other places where they’ll find much more extremist people.

          You’re creating echo chambers at both sides. your side will never have anyone disagreeing anymore because all that did are pushed out and so your side gets more extremist over time. The other guys went to other places where they are welcome but ochtend with much more extremist opinions and so get more extremist as well.

          Pushing people out for minor disagreements is a big part of the problem. Heck, I think there is a good argument to be made about that behavior causing trump yo be elected. People being pushed out of normal discussions flock together in the crazy parts of town and cause much more mayhem that way.

          And if you’re saying you only block out Nazis, then next thing that happens is that people will say “you don’t perfectly agree with me on every point? YOU NAZI, BEGONE!”.

          It doesn’t solve anything. I’m not here to be comfortable with all opinions, I’m here to talk with people, have reasoned discussions, something which caused me to be banned from toi many reddit subs already.

          And before you start calling me a nazi for disagreeing with you (you already claimed I’m threatening) I’m not. I’m a white guy married to a woman of a different color and race, I live in another country as a minority myself, I’m not perfectly straight, so I’d say I fall in all the popular groups du jour. I’m just another normal guy who -so far- has been trying to have a reasoned discussion about the pros of allowing people to raise disagreeing or dissenting voices.