People keep parroting this but won’t explain how it could happen to the fediverse. As in, actual steps. Because Flipboard federated and I’m not flooded with news posts. Mastodon is used for Nazi instances and I’m not flooded by Nazi content, even if the maintainer don’t block that particular instace due to not knowing it exists.
Care to explain exactly how EEE will happen?
EDIT: thank you for those who took the time to write a clear and technical responses, there are really good point worth considering that a didn’t read anywhere else.
From a more technical standpoint, I believe the idea is more like:
Embrace: Adhere to the fediverse standards to make Threads compatible and be a part of the overall userbase.
Extend: Add more functionality to the standard so that thread users get functionality that other fediverse users do not. This is where they would make it difficult for open-source devs to try and implement the same features in their software.
Extinguish: Finally, when enough of the userbase has been siphoned to their proprietary platform, cease compatibility with the fediverse and leave the old standard to die.
So basically the same thing you said. We can sort of see this with Google trying to make websites only be compatible with Chrome.
even when you do federate with an instance, the global timeline isn’t the default timeline - unlike places like twitter; you have to explicit go into the global timeline to see federated posts.
the only time you interact with other users is if you follow them or if they replace to public/unlisted posts.
You keep parroting this to try and distract people from walked, tried, tested History. As in, actual steps that happened. And asking to be “explained” how History happened. That’s called sealioning.
How about this, good faith way Facebook will still destroy everything
Facebook does one way, minimal federation. Facebook trash content makes its way around the fediverse, but things are mostly the same. Vigilance goes down
Facebook does complete federation, but at the same minimal level. Threads users now get to vote and comment on some fediverse content. This is the peak benefit to the fediverse
Facebook slowly ramps up data flow in both directions. The fediverse has smaller numbers and minimal tools to manage federation.
Facebook has an algorithm, a complex system to manage content to maximize for time/interaction/tolerance to ads.
Threads content will have far higher metrics that will impact our basic sorts, because the algorithm picks winners and losers. Fediverse content shown on threads and chosen by the algorithm also blows up
The various fediverse projects scramble for solutions. They might change up the sorting algorithms to adjust, some try to manage federation granularly (such as not counting threads votes, or treating their content differently). But they need tools that handle granular federation across the board, and they need it without breaking compatibility with activity pub… Every change will roll out slowly, and it’s a very complicated problem.
Threads can update whenever they want, and can change how they federate far faster and more easily, because they’re a centralized platform just deciding how they want to push and pull from external sources.
Some might cut off federation at this point, and users are pissed off they kept being shown the same content, and now are getting even less content.
Others are pissed that their feeds feel like Facebook.
This is the best case scenario… Just like Bitcoin or Tor, a decentralized network can be manipulated by any party who owns over a certain percentage of the network. They’ll be able to control which content we see on the fediverse, because their numbers and algorithm will overwhelm our own.
They could also attack the standard and use standard EEE practices, but even if they don’t, they’ll enshittify the fediverse just by nature of the connection
People keep parroting this but won’t explain how it could happen to the fediverse. As in, actual steps. Because Flipboard federated and I’m not flooded with news posts. Mastodon is used for Nazi instances and I’m not flooded by Nazi content, even if the maintainer don’t block that particular instace due to not knowing it exists.
Care to explain exactly how EEE will happen?
EDIT: thank you for those who took the time to write a clear and technical responses, there are really good point worth considering that a didn’t read anywhere else.
From what I’ve heard it might be something like this:
From a more technical standpoint, I believe the idea is more like:
Embrace: Adhere to the fediverse standards to make Threads compatible and be a part of the overall userbase.
Extend: Add more functionality to the standard so that thread users get functionality that other fediverse users do not. This is where they would make it difficult for open-source devs to try and implement the same features in their software.
Extinguish: Finally, when enough of the userbase has been siphoned to their proprietary platform, cease compatibility with the fediverse and leave the old standard to die.
So basically the same thing you said. We can sort of see this with Google trying to make websites only be compatible with Chrome.
even when you do federate with an instance, the global timeline isn’t the default timeline - unlike places like twitter; you have to explicit go into the global timeline to see federated posts.
the only time you interact with other users is if you follow them or if they replace to public/unlisted posts.
You keep parroting this to try and distract people from walked, tried, tested History. As in, actual steps that happened. And asking to be “explained” how History happened. That’s called sealioning.
How about this, good faith way Facebook will still destroy everything
Facebook does one way, minimal federation. Facebook trash content makes its way around the fediverse, but things are mostly the same. Vigilance goes down
Facebook does complete federation, but at the same minimal level. Threads users now get to vote and comment on some fediverse content. This is the peak benefit to the fediverse
Facebook slowly ramps up data flow in both directions. The fediverse has smaller numbers and minimal tools to manage federation.
Facebook has an algorithm, a complex system to manage content to maximize for time/interaction/tolerance to ads.
Threads content will have far higher metrics that will impact our basic sorts, because the algorithm picks winners and losers. Fediverse content shown on threads and chosen by the algorithm also blows up
The various fediverse projects scramble for solutions. They might change up the sorting algorithms to adjust, some try to manage federation granularly (such as not counting threads votes, or treating their content differently). But they need tools that handle granular federation across the board, and they need it without breaking compatibility with activity pub… Every change will roll out slowly, and it’s a very complicated problem.
Threads can update whenever they want, and can change how they federate far faster and more easily, because they’re a centralized platform just deciding how they want to push and pull from external sources.
Some might cut off federation at this point, and users are pissed off they kept being shown the same content, and now are getting even less content.
Others are pissed that their feeds feel like Facebook.
This is the best case scenario… Just like Bitcoin or Tor, a decentralized network can be manipulated by any party who owns over a certain percentage of the network. They’ll be able to control which content we see on the fediverse, because their numbers and algorithm will overwhelm our own.
They could also attack the standard and use standard EEE practices, but even if they don’t, they’ll enshittify the fediverse just by nature of the connection
They just want to exploit the data to help genocides happen like they always do
That’s not true… Sometimes they just want to sell democratic elections to the highest bidder