No, the heads of NATO, Ukraine and Russia shouldn’t be rewarded for their acts of violence against the people of Russia and Ukraine. All sides should withdraw from the territories in which they are not welcome by the people.
Also Russia didn’t invade Ukraine to “gain new territory”, do you know when the war started?
(Furthermore its important to clarify that although Russia is a neoliberal hellpit, NATO, using Ukraine as a meat shield for their interests, is way, way worse, literally headed by one of the most evil countries that ever existed: the USA, as such, it is foolish to trust that anything they do in this situation will help the people of Ukraine, including dump military hardware into the region for disposal and testing)
🙄 Yes, we all know Russia started a thinly veiled proxy war in 2014 when the Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government, and then Russia escalated it into a full blown war when that wasn’t getting them the influence over Ukraine that they wanted.
What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government. Aren’t communists supposed to be diametrically opposed to fascism? Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?
Being in favor of China, as they are at least communists in rhetoric, I get. But really, modern day Russia? Marx would be ashamed.
Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government
Your Ukranian “people”:
(its mostly fascist paramilitaries funded by god knows who)
Your “voting”:
(there was no democractic referendum held to oust the president)
Also, the west itself is a white supremacist fascist entity who went to Ukraine in 2014 to put pressure on Russia by cutting off potential allies. They are not the good guys.
What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government.
Again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?
Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?
This is projection, the left has consistently been anti war this entire time, yet liberals are on the side of outright fascists in the ukranian military being given experimental weapons when they are not outright denying they exist.
You’re not the left. The left hates you. You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.
You’re not at all anti-war either, you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”
The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.
Projection for $100, Chuck. We’re not the ones advocating for the global interests of white supremacist fascist nations in their genocide of the third world.
You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.
“ERRYONE I DONT LIKE IS M-MUH RUSSIAN BOTERINOS!!!” I hope you’re memeing because this is going into the realm of unhinged conspiracy theories otherwise.
you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”
No, we don’t want there to be a fucking war in the first place, a peace deal is not a loss for either side except NATO because they don’t get to destabilize another region with a forever war like how they did with Afghanistan.
inb4 “muh russia must b punished”!!!
the lack of nuance you have about this situation truly reveals that you’re just a puppet mouthpiece for NATO’s fascist, warmongering propaganda to further its interests in the region through bloody conflict.
The 8 year war between Russia and Ukraine (NATO) is the same as america doing systemic genocide against black people after enslaving them for over 400 years, and, even after, doing everything in their power to make the life of a black person in america a truly miserable experience, yes. What a fucking disgusting comparison and minimization of america’s evil.
The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.
Imagine seething this much over pronouns lmao
And again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?
Nobody actually thinks russia is a force for good in this situation, its just that an end of hostilities for the drafting of a peace agreement is much better for the people.
Talk about lacking nuance. You can criticize NATO for plenty, but calling it fascist while ignoring the rise of literal Russian style fascism is telling. You seem to simply use fascism as a synonym for bad without even understanding what it is. Therefore everything you don’t like (i.e. anything western) is automatically labeled fascist, and anything that is actual literal fascism but anti-west is somehow not fascism.
The war isn’t NATO vs Russia, it’s Ukraine vs Russia. Just because NATO can gain from a weakened Russia doesn’t mean they are responsible for the war or are responsible for dragging it on. Nobody wanted this war, this is purely Russia’s doing. Just because Ukraine has some marginal neo-nazi groups doesn’t mean the country is run by Nazis.
The great irony is you’re so caught up in this baseless rhetoric believing that you’re fighting fascists that you end up supporting a textbook fascist government engaging in the very same imperial conquest that you accuse the west of.
That all depends on what you’d consider to be acceptable terms of a peace deal. Is it a deal that rewards the aggressors for their aggression?
No, the heads of NATO, Ukraine and Russia shouldn’t be rewarded for their acts of violence against the people of Russia and Ukraine. All sides should withdraw from the territories in which they are not welcome by the people.
Also Russia didn’t invade Ukraine to “gain new territory”, do you know when the war started?
(Furthermore its important to clarify that although Russia is a neoliberal hellpit, NATO, using Ukraine as a meat shield for their interests, is way, way worse, literally headed by one of the most evil countries that ever existed: the USA, as such, it is foolish to trust that anything they do in this situation will help the people of Ukraine, including dump military hardware into the region for disposal and testing)
🙄 Yes, we all know Russia started a thinly veiled proxy war in 2014 when the Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government, and then Russia escalated it into a full blown war when that wasn’t getting them the influence over Ukraine that they wanted.
What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government. Aren’t communists supposed to be diametrically opposed to fascism? Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?
Being in favor of China, as they are at least communists in rhetoric, I get. But really, modern day Russia? Marx would be ashamed.
Your Ukranian “people”:
(its mostly fascist paramilitaries funded by god knows who)
Your “voting”:
(there was no democractic referendum held to oust the president)
Also, the west itself is a white supremacist fascist entity who went to Ukraine in 2014 to put pressure on Russia by cutting off potential allies. They are not the good guys.
Again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?
This is projection, the left has consistently been anti war this entire time, yet liberals are on the side of outright fascists in the ukranian military being given experimental weapons when they are not outright denying they exist.
You’re not the left. The left hates you. You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.
You’re not at all anti-war either, you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”
The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.
Projection for $100, Chuck. We’re not the ones advocating for the global interests of white supremacist fascist nations in their genocide of the third world.
“ERRYONE I DONT LIKE IS M-MUH RUSSIAN BOTERINOS!!!” I hope you’re memeing because this is going into the realm of unhinged conspiracy theories otherwise.
the lack of nuance you have about this situation truly reveals that you’re just a puppet mouthpiece for NATO’s fascist, warmongering propaganda to further its interests in the region through bloody conflict.
Imagine seething this much over pronouns lmao
And again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?
Nobody actually thinks russia is a force for good in this situation, its just that an end of hostilities for the drafting of a peace agreement is much better for the people.
Well that’s quite the wall of text.
Talk about lacking nuance. You can criticize NATO for plenty, but calling it fascist while ignoring the rise of literal Russian style fascism is telling. You seem to simply use fascism as a synonym for bad without even understanding what it is. Therefore everything you don’t like (i.e. anything western) is automatically labeled fascist, and anything that is actual literal fascism but anti-west is somehow not fascism.
The war isn’t NATO vs Russia, it’s Ukraine vs Russia. Just because NATO can gain from a weakened Russia doesn’t mean they are responsible for the war or are responsible for dragging it on. Nobody wanted this war, this is purely Russia’s doing. Just because Ukraine has some marginal neo-nazi groups doesn’t mean the country is run by Nazis.
The great irony is you’re so caught up in this baseless rhetoric believing that you’re fighting fascists that you end up supporting a textbook fascist government engaging in the very same imperial conquest that you accuse the west of.