• ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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    rural life can not be austainable.

    move out of city for cheap house etc - than complain about no wifi, no doctors etc - force government to have fiber internet - yadda yadda

    people who advocate rural areas are just big egoists and ignorant

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      You literally cannot grow sufficient food to feed the population of the city within the city. Every city requires massive rural areas for sustenance.

      Rural areas have sufficient abundance to both sustain themselves and the cities.

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        can you give me any source for that?

        i heard paris is considered a beautiful city. if all humans lived in a city as dense as paris we could all live in an area the size of germany.

        growing population says it is impossible to feed the world with conventional farming as this will further reduce nature.

        rural areas are whats destroying the planet.

        also, were i lived the farmer has an ipad and the machines do all the work. nobody really needs to live there anymore as you can easily check from the number of employees in farming. constant decline. it is bs to think people need to be in thos rural areas but you can wait till it is 100% machine made.

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          Rural areas provide food and raw materials for the cities. That’s their entire purpose.

          If all people lived in a city as dense as Paris, they would all starve: Paris does not have a single farm producing food.

          If all people lived in a city as dense as Paris, every manufacturer would be out of business due to lack of raw materials: Paris does not have a single mine.

          If rural areas are destroying the planet, it is because the cities are demanding from those areas more than the planet can provide.

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              Socialist cities make the same demands on rural areas that capitalist cities do. It’s primarily a function of population density, not economic model.

              At best, a square mile of farmland can feed about 6000 people. That’s under ideal conditions and assuming vegetarians. Want a little meat in your diet, and 2500 is a more realistic number.

              A square mile of Chicago contains about 12,000 people. That’s 2 to 4.8 square miles of farmland for every square mile of city. Chicago is about 230 square miles.

              A square mile of New York contains about 30,000 people. That’s 5 to 12 sq miles of farmland for every square mile of city. New York is about 300 square miles.

              A square mile of Paris contains about 53,000 people. 8.8 to 21.2 sq miles of farmland for every square mile of city. Paris is about 40 square miles.

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      rural life can not be sustainable.

      Cities need farms to feed the inhabitants of the cites, farms can’t exist without farmers (yet) and there’s plenty of types of businesses farmers need to visit fairly frequently in order to live. This creates and sustains the small farm communities the dot the rural landscape between large cities

      move out of city for cheap house etc - than complain about no wifi, no doctors etc - force government to have fiber internet - yadda yadda

      Farmers need services too. Are you just saying everyone unlucky enough to be born outside of a major metropolis must go without medical care or access to modern services?

      Also fiber is literally cheaper in the long term. It has effectively infinite bandwidth, requires no maintenance except repairing damage by excavation/natural disasters/wildlife (which any kind of utility line requires) and can run literally hundreds of kilometers without any repeaters or anything else to maintain the signal inbetween.

      ISPs were (and still are in many places) utilizing worn out, sometimes over a century old telephone and cable television infrastructure to deliver internet to places that hadn’t yet gotten fiber, and it perpetuates a digital divide that prevents kids growing up on farms from accessing services that might help them be the most productive members of society that they can be

      people who advocate rural areas are just big egoists and ignorant

      I think you’re the ignorant one in this case

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      Also housing in cities is artificially expensive because it’s illegal to.built dense housing in.most of it.because of suburbanites who wanna play pretend farmhouse

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        it.because of suburbanites who wanna play pretend farmhouse

        And don’t pay for it

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        paris.

        dense enough? considered worth living? because if all ppl would live i a terrible terrible city like paris, we’d have a shitload of nature back.

        anyone who thinks one deserves to live rural just says his/her personal choice of lifestyle is more important than a future for the kids. rural areas destroy so much nature and take up way too much land.

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            Suburbs are part of the spectrum between rural and urban. Some population density and some open space.

            The main problem with suburbs is that they are exclusively residential instead of a mix with commercial.

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              Suburbs are worst of both worlds. And american suburbs based on what I know about them are worst type of suburbs.

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                I lived in a suburb that had shopping and a city park in easy walking distance as a kid and it was pretty awesome. I now live in one where the nearest business is 2 miles away and it sucks. Both in the US and with wildly different experiences.

                I also lived in a fairly dense residential area that was great as there were businesses in walking distance that were fun to go to, and another where there were businesses, but they all sucked so I had to drive somewhere else.

                The real problem is the separation if residential and business zoning to such a degree that going to any business requires transportation.