Biden came out and verbally supported the police actions and people still wanna say this is exclusively a Republican action.

This is rich people action. This is boomer action. This is pro-corporate, authoritarian, protofacist action. And our “democracy” provides no opportunities to do anything about it.

We’ve had lots of plans, there were lots of good candidates in the 2020 primaries. They were all rejected by moderates and liberals. We had the BBB, it was rejected by moderates and liberals. We had the rail strike, it was rejected by moderates and liberals. We have proposed lots of plans. They have all been rejected. The onus is not on us to continue providing plans. Moderates and liberals need our votes to win. They don’t like our plans but refuse to provide any viable plans of their own.

I’m done making plans. If moderate and liberals want my vote they need to demonstrate it. If Biden wants my vote he needs to demonstrate it. Compromise with us or lose to MAGA. Make a choice.

If you focused all this energy you’re using to fight your fellow working class Americans against pro-corporate trash candidates and the people who vote for them we’d be in a much better position right now.

You realize Trump is just the tip of the iceberg right? It’s not like once he no longer runs the MAGA crowd will disappear. What’s your plan for addressing it? Because we held our noses and elected Biden in 2020 and all he’s done is fucked around for 3 years.

Does Biden know that?

Biden refused to face fascism head on during his entire term. Instead he decided to focus entirely on pleasing moderates and liberals and burning progressives and leftists at every opportunity. This is Biden’s fault.

I’m really not. The fact that it’s a legitimate question under these circumstances shows just how pathetic this whole situation is. As Jon Stewart said, if the enemy is at the gates why isn’t Biden taking it seriously?

Procorporate Democrats like Biden cannot save us from fascism.

You could help stop this by fighting Biden instead of fighting me.

I’ll blame Biden for refusing to make material compromises with leftists and progressives in order to get the votes he needs.

we’ve been on a slow march towards fascism for decades

Yes. Including the last three years. See the problem?

If it’s so important then why isn’t Biden doing everything he can to compromise with leftists and progressives? Dude should be standing at a podium begging us like “Please! I’m sorry I blocked the rail strike I won’t do it again. Federal workers can continue working remotely. I won’t raise the defense budget again. I will fight to block weapon shipments to Israel. Please help me.”

Or is this democracy not worth that to him?

Biden and his foolish decisions are giving that guy a helping hand. Try telling Biden to stop being a fucking moron if he wants to win the election.

Ok I’ll be voting 3rd party.

What would you recommend?

Four years of Biden has driven us backwards. If moderates and liberals refuse to compromise with us now when they themselves believe democracy is at stake what does that tell you? They never will.

I am done propping up their trash procorporate candidates. If they aren’t willing to fight fascism head on then it’s not a choice between fascism and democracy it’s a choice between fascism now or later.

I choose now. You’re free to make your own choice.

Again, you’re indistinguishable from a moderate or a liberal. You talk like one, you act like one, you vote like one. Regardless of what you believe you’re not doing anything that would accomplish anything we’re fighting for.

Okay so you’re saying he isn’t liberal enough I guess. I am pretty far left myself and would of course love more but

I’m not trying to tell you what to call yourself but if you spend all your time and energy arguing against leftists instead of moderates and liberals what exactly makes you left? Call yourself whatever you like but your actions are indistinguishable from a moderate or a liberal.

I would argue that he’s also gotten a lot of pretty great leftist stuff accomplished.

🙄Oh please, do tell me what material leftist victory was made by Biden. A bunch of corporate handouts? Not leftist. Passing the IRA? That was the BBB stripped of everything leftists and progressives were excited about. Maybe you’re so delusional you think blocking a rail strike is a leftist victory. Or maybe you think shipping weapons to a country committing genocide is some kind of leftist victory. Or raising the defense budget. Or forcing federal workers back to the office. Or setting Yellen and Powell on a war path against American workers.

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you want to see the things you care about set back another four years OR MORE than sure, don’t vote for Biden this year.

The stuff I care about was already held back four years with Biden.

Like a cut off your nose to spite your face kind of stupid.

Yeah I’ve heard this plenty. You realize this cuts both ways right? Moderate and liberal voters refusing to compromise with leftists and progressives is every bit the same. Why are you trying to hold progressives and leftists to a different standard?

Your question attempts to hold progressives and leftists to a different standard than moderates and liberals.

What is the game plan of moderates, liberals, establishment Democrats and Biden? How do they think they’ll benefit by refusing to make material compromises with leftists and progressives?

Who didn’t vote? What senate races were reasonably within reach that people didn’t show up for? Same question for the house.