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    That says more about the games you play than the capacity of Linux. Now do it without proton or wine, or pick any unsupported AAA game.

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      Saying do it without proton or wine in response is insane, it’s like saying “Now do it without your gpu plugged in.” They aren’t native Linux, but who cares as long as they run well.

      The few games with problematic anticheat are a deal issue though.

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        No, there no equivalent because windows doesn’t need third party interpretors for AAA gaming software

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          Delete the win32 API and DirectX DLL files (which is basically all WINE is replicating) and see how well Windows plays your games then!

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            I’ll delete what my system is having to replicate and you do too, let’s see who can run games.

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          I simply don’t care. Games run fine under proton, why should I?

          It’s not even extra work you have to do, steam handles pretty much all of it.

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            You don’t have to care, but don’t expect others not to just because you’re OK with a substandard experience. If you’re OK eating shit that’s fine, but don’t trytell me it’s chocolate when I’m holding real chocolate.

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              Proton simply does not deliver a meaningfully substandard experience. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s worse. I’d bet the majority of steam deck users don’t even know what it is.

              Most games take a slight performance hit, so small you won’t notice unless you’re watching the numbers. Some games even have better performance on proton than native windows.

              Why do you think it’s substandard?

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                  So, if you’re really dedicated about playing a game with anticheat that doesn’t natively support Linux, and even dual booting isn’t an option, virtual machines are. In particular, Linux has a feature neither MacOS nor Windows share called KVM, which essentially lets you loan physical components to the VM, giving it full use of them and cutting them off from the host PC. This lets VMs running on Linux compete on a level equivalent to a similar OS, natively installed on the same hardware, and absolutely smokes the benchmarks of Windows- and MacOS-hosted VMs.

                  And they can be a pain to set up, but once you get one up and running, there are exactly 3 games on that list that you can’t get up and running, Valorant, CS:GO(ESEA) and CS:GO(Faceit). The latter two of which were recently bought out with Saudi blood money, and the former demands a control freak level of access over your PC to even run.

                  It is personal opinions, not compatibility, that keeps me from playing fortnite (Tim Sweeney will never be forgiven for doing his hardest to kill the Unreal series, and fortnite skins being a source of modern childhood bullying is despicable) with one friendship group and destiny 2 (might actually be a good game if it wasn’t designed to be a black hole of money and time that deletes its own back-catalogue of content regularly, Sony pls fire Bungie’s incompetent management already) with the another.

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                  Oh wow, a nice cherry picked list that goes over the issue I said still needs to be fixed.

                  Meanwhile let’s compare what people are actually playing. Of the top 1000 games on steam, 34 don’t work.

                  Now how about all of steam? Oh, looks like it keeps the same rate.

                  Windows is similar, it’s just old games you’ll run into issues with, which incidentally often work better on proton.

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                    The issue that needs to be fixed is the entire problem. Or did you skip over the first part of the thread?

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                  Yeah, they’re benchmarks from a while ago.

                  This was already the case in 2018, it certainly hasn’t gotten worse.

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                No, I’m comparing Linux to hershe’s, they’re trying to compare hershe’s to real chocolate.

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              Just wanted to add that in my experience, Castlevania lord of shadows was unplayable due to graphical bugs on windows, but flawless through proton (that didn’t need any setup btw)

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              If we’re talking about substandard experiences, then Windows overall is definitely one to Linux once you stop trying to treat Linux like Windows-lite and learn to treat it as its own thing.

              You don’t even have package managers (what smartphone app stores are a pale imitation of), you get motherfucking ads in your start menus, your desktop customisation options are paltry at best and half of them are locked behind a paywall, your OS gobbles RAM and processing power like a stoner with the munchies, it’s absolutely littered with baked-in bad decisions from the 90s, hundreds of millions of devices are locked out of future upgrades, and the amount of telemetry built-in could easily be called spyware.

              Linux may be difficult to learn and have areas with spotty compatibility, but she’ll run on a toaster, is totally free, is infinitely customisable (https://lemmy.world/c/unixporn, alas the subreddit is still bigger but I’m not linking that shit here) and highly modular, answers to you and you alone, and can do an entire system update in the background with a single command. There are many reasons why Linux has pushed Windows out of the supercomputer, server, IoT, smartphone, and now AI fields (and sibling BSD Unix holds sway over mainframes and most console OSes, like the Switch and last three Playstations). Desktop PCs are just about the only place where the Windows marketshare still eclipses Linux.

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                Cool, well while you’re wondering why your toaster doesn’t have native drivers I’ll continue using the better product. I’ve used Linux, been using pc’s longer than most of the people pushing Linux have been alive. You still won’t convince me second tier is first tier.

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          There’s OpenDX, which seems cool, but my understanding is it’d have to be implemented in the game not just on a system, so why bother doing that over Vulkan.