I saw someone describe it as “anti-natalist” which i feel is way more apt. Don’t want kids? Child free. Hate people for having children/make up strawmen to grind an axe all the time about it? You’re anti-natalist.
Anti-natalism is the belief that it’s immoral to bring in new sentient beings into the world and isn’t inherently bad to be, I’m sure most of them don’t attack people who have kids constantly.
People don’t have kids because they ponder the possibility of creating a new person. (They exist, but they’re the rare exception.) They have kids because they want the minime or the cute thing, and are not thinking about the angsty horny teen that toddler will become, or the struggling adult getting abused by The Man. (Unless the family is rich, in which case, how dare the brat have a personality, or is LGBT+ or wants to do theater rather than take over the business)
And then, my kid (by blood) and grandson (by marriage) are going to face a massive global population correction in their lives which will shape their entire lives the way Dresden affected Vonnegut. I love them both and am jolly sorry they are just going to have to deal.
I also get the drive to breed is compulsory. The baby machine has been honed across eons of evolution to overwhelm resistance. Those who can go childfree, I encourage to do so. But those who do have children, even in a society that disregards them, I get it, and figure we should spoil them as much as we can.
Ah I guess the terms have become somewhat conflated then. Either way, there are definitely large swaths of the child free crowd that are incredibly hostile to parents and children.
I think in both cases, a line gets crossed when people start hating the kids themselves. I’m not talking about having an aversion-- some of them genuinely hate kids. Even if I believed it were an atrocitious act to bring children into this world, even if I were to find children unpleasant(1), it’s not the kids’ fault.
(1) Oh hi! 👋 You saw my footnote! Just wanted to make clear I’m talking about a hypothetical person here. I personally like kids and don’t find them unpleasant. Just making sure you know that so we don’t start a pointless argument. Have a fantastic day!
This has nothing to do with disliking kids. It’s just poking fun at how we euphemise things sometimes.
On another note, I really fucking hate kids lol. I’m so glad I’ll never have them. How much I loathe them is nowhere near how obnoxious people get about their kids. They make them their whole personality way more than I ever will make being child free mine.
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I saw someone describe it as “anti-natalist” which i feel is way more apt. Don’t want kids? Child free. Hate people for having children/make up strawmen to grind an axe all the time about it? You’re anti-natalist.
Thank you for saying that. I loathe the child free people, and I don’t have kids. They’re all so stringent!
This is an SNL skit about two gay men trying for a baby: https://youtu.be/v7PYpysL_dI?si=AfIRnvUkFoH2rINu
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Anti-natalism is the belief that it’s immoral to bring in new sentient beings into the world and isn’t inherently bad to be, I’m sure most of them don’t attack people who have kids constantly.
This.
People don’t have kids because they ponder the possibility of creating a new person. (They exist, but they’re the rare exception.) They have kids because they want the minime or the cute thing, and are not thinking about the angsty horny teen that toddler will become, or the struggling adult getting abused by The Man. (Unless the family is rich, in which case, how dare the brat have a personality, or is LGBT+ or wants to do theater rather than take over the business)
And then, my kid (by blood) and grandson (by marriage) are going to face a massive global population correction in their lives which will shape their entire lives the way Dresden affected Vonnegut. I love them both and am jolly sorry they are just going to have to deal.
I also get the drive to breed is compulsory. The baby machine has been honed across eons of evolution to overwhelm resistance. Those who can go childfree, I encourage to do so. But those who do have children, even in a society that disregards them, I get it, and figure we should spoil them as much as we can.
Ah I guess the terms have become somewhat conflated then. Either way, there are definitely large swaths of the child free crowd that are incredibly hostile to parents and children.
I think in both cases, a line gets crossed when people start hating the kids themselves. I’m not talking about having an aversion-- some of them genuinely hate kids. Even if I believed it were an atrocitious act to bring children into this world, even if I were to find children unpleasant(1), it’s not the kids’ fault.
(1) Oh hi! 👋 You saw my footnote! Just wanted to make clear I’m talking about a hypothetical person here. I personally like kids and don’t find them unpleasant. Just making sure you know that so we don’t start a pointless argument. Have a fantastic day!
Well said
This has nothing to do with disliking kids. It’s just poking fun at how we euphemise things sometimes.
On another note, I really fucking hate kids lol. I’m so glad I’ll never have them. How much I loathe them is nowhere near how obnoxious people get about their kids. They make them their whole personality way more than I ever will make being child free mine.
Pretty sure this is what most people call a joke.