I feel like the very idea of “centrist” is flawed. Sure you can choose not to identify with either party.
But for most of these issues you can’t reasonably pick a “center” option for most issues. Sure we can argue implementation but you’re either ok with abortion, gun control, gay rights, civil rights, or your not.
Is it really useful to have the “control guns” and “control guns only a little” groups fighting when there’s a “school kids are a worthy sacrifice for guns” party?
This internet version of centrism that everyone hates on is bizarre to me, for the reasons you say - the “only commit half a genocide” type of centrism. Are there people who really strike a middle ground on every issue on principle?
I always understood centrism as “I hold enough opinions from both parties that I don’t align with either one”, which honestly fits me pretty well. I still have strong opinions on individual issues though…
This internet version of centrism that everyone hates on is bizarre to me, for the reasons you say - the “only commit half a genocide” type of centrism. Are there people who really strike a middle ground on every issue on principle?
That’s not a principle, it’s just a rhetoric. Like when people demonstrated in Charlottesville : one side wanted to get rid of a slavers statue while the other side run a car through the crowd. Then Trump took a “centrist” position and said that there was some very fine people on both side, which was just a way to defend his side
That’s typically how it’s actually used, but then that makes any reference to being a centrist pointless when discussing issues.
This interpretation means there is no “centrist position”, so if an issue is divided by Democrat vs Rebuplican (which it usually is) then you’re picking a side for that discussion.
That means that in issue specific conversations or debate, bringing up the fact your centrist only serves to fracture yourself from the party your currently on the side of. (None of this applies for registering to vote, where being an Independent actually matters).
I just think the label at best fractures your impact and reach and at worst is an attempt to sound rationally superior.
All this to say, not identifying with a party or choosing opinions are all well and fine, but categorising yourself as a centrist just groups you with a bunch of people that don’t necessarily represent or agree with you.
I can see that, you make a fair point. Centrists are probably the least homogenous group by definition, so they don’t really stand for anything in particular and the label loses meaning.
However, I do think there is something to be said for using the centrist label to dodge around people trying to pigeonhole you into a specific viewpoint. For example, I’ve had great discussions with someone about UBI and socialized healthcare before, only for them to feel utterly betrayed and revolted by my stance on gun control (as they naturally assumed the rest of my views would align with theirs along their party lines).
Our political culture is so incredibly hateful and polarized at this point in time that I feel like ‘adopting the role of a D or an R’ for a single discussion is a recipe for disaster. If there’s anything people instinctively hate worse than an enemy, it’s a traitor.
I agree with this. I’m center overall as an average of my views, not that I’m cutting every view I have exactly between left and right. I kind of feel this way.
I feel like my objections to anti-abortion laws are playing out just as I feared. I’m against abortion but I feel like easier access and less stigma around birth control is a big part of preventing abortions. My main objection was I knew right wingers would make no distinctions between any kind of abortions, even to save lives of women. And son of a gun, unfortunately I was right.
I feel like the very idea of “centrist” is flawed. Sure you can choose not to identify with either party.
But for most of these issues you can’t reasonably pick a “center” option for most issues. Sure we can argue implementation but you’re either ok with abortion, gun control, gay rights, civil rights, or your not.
Is it really useful to have the “control guns” and “control guns only a little” groups fighting when there’s a “school kids are a worthy sacrifice for guns” party?
This internet version of centrism that everyone hates on is bizarre to me, for the reasons you say - the “only commit half a genocide” type of centrism. Are there people who really strike a middle ground on every issue on principle?
I always understood centrism as “I hold enough opinions from both parties that I don’t align with either one”, which honestly fits me pretty well. I still have strong opinions on individual issues though…
That’s not a principle, it’s just a rhetoric. Like when people demonstrated in Charlottesville : one side wanted to get rid of a slavers statue while the other side run a car through the crowd. Then Trump took a “centrist” position and said that there was some very fine people on both side, which was just a way to defend his side
That’s typically how it’s actually used, but then that makes any reference to being a centrist pointless when discussing issues.
This interpretation means there is no “centrist position”, so if an issue is divided by Democrat vs Rebuplican (which it usually is) then you’re picking a side for that discussion.
That means that in issue specific conversations or debate, bringing up the fact your centrist only serves to fracture yourself from the party your currently on the side of. (None of this applies for registering to vote, where being an Independent actually matters).
I just think the label at best fractures your impact and reach and at worst is an attempt to sound rationally superior.
All this to say, not identifying with a party or choosing opinions are all well and fine, but categorising yourself as a centrist just groups you with a bunch of people that don’t necessarily represent or agree with you.
I can see that, you make a fair point. Centrists are probably the least homogenous group by definition, so they don’t really stand for anything in particular and the label loses meaning.
However, I do think there is something to be said for using the centrist label to dodge around people trying to pigeonhole you into a specific viewpoint. For example, I’ve had great discussions with someone about UBI and socialized healthcare before, only for them to feel utterly betrayed and revolted by my stance on gun control (as they naturally assumed the rest of my views would align with theirs along their party lines).
Our political culture is so incredibly hateful and polarized at this point in time that I feel like ‘adopting the role of a D or an R’ for a single discussion is a recipe for disaster. If there’s anything people instinctively hate worse than an enemy, it’s a traitor.
I agree with this. I’m center overall as an average of my views, not that I’m cutting every view I have exactly between left and right. I kind of feel this way.
I’m not pro life nor pro choice I think everyone should be able to do what they want!
I’m not left or right! But I believe describes the left
I feel like my objections to anti-abortion laws are playing out just as I feared. I’m against abortion but I feel like easier access and less stigma around birth control is a big part of preventing abortions. My main objection was I knew right wingers would make no distinctions between any kind of abortions, even to save lives of women. And son of a gun, unfortunately I was right.
I think you missed the joke there!
Good Lord.
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Imagine having more than two parties.