Regulations are written in blood
To continue with the argument of “the market will self-regulate and people wouldn’t buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again”
Okay but how many people died, how many people are suffering long-term effects, and what’s stopping them from adding a different deadly thing to our food?
wouldn’t buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again
Assuming there is perfect information in the market. In reality there is heavy information asymmetry.
It also assumes free competition while we have every market dominated by a few players buying up everyone else, often with cartel like behavior.
It also assumes it is immediately deadly poison, and doesn’t do something like cause early dementia 25 years later.
Speaking of Americans, at least half of us are criminally uneducated and watch literally nothing but Fox News. You can’t teach them even with indisputable proof. If the talking heads say it’s bad, then it’s bad.
Framing one half of the population as beyond saving or inherently evil is not just lazy - it’s historically dangerous. It reduces millions of individuals into a caricature and gives people permission to treat them with contempt, as if that’s somehow virtuous. That kind of thinking has been used to justify some of the worst things we’ve done to each other as humans.
When you actually talk to people outside your bubble, you quickly realize that most of us want the same basic things - stability, safety, meaning, a fair shot in life. We just have different beliefs about how to get there. Writing off entire groups as irredeemable only erodes any future possibility of understanding or change.
For fucks sake, this whole “let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya” response is pure garbage. They’re trying to pull that “oh, it’s just different opinions” crap, but that’s a load of bullshit. We’re not talking about whether pineapple belongs on pizza here. We’re talking about a movement built on lies, hate, and actively trying to undo hundreds of years of suffrage and civil rights movements that allow you to have free speach.
This ain’t about “different beliefs on how to get there.” Half these people are living in a fantasy world where facts don’t matter and anyone who doesn’t look or think like them is the enemy. You can’t “understand” someone who thinks immigrants are poisoning the blood of America or that the last election was stolen with zero proof. That’s not a “belief”; that’s a dangerous delusion.
And this whole “tolerance” nonsense? Please. You don’t tolerate people who want to strip away your rights or incite violence against your neighbors. That’s not virtuous; that’s being a damn doormat. Some ideas are just plain wrong, and some people are so far gone on the Fox News Kool-Aid that they’re beyond reason. Pretending otherwise is just enabling the madness.
The Paradox of Tolerance is akin to an invading force telling the insurgence that no one else has to die as long as they comply.
For fuck’s sake, this whole “we need to live peacefully with our neighbors” rhetoric is pure garbage. They’re trying to pull that “oh, we just need to coexist” crap, but that’s a load of bullshit. We’re not talking about disagreements over taxes here. We’re talking about a group built on lies and corruption, poisoning the roots of our nation and threatening everything we’ve worked for.
This isn’t about “different ideas on how to build a society.” These people live in a fantasy world, manipulating the media, the economy, and the schools. They don’t care about our culture, our history, or our future. You can’t “understand” someone who undermines the moral fabric of the country and destroys our unity from the inside. That’s not a belief - it’s a threat.
And this whole “tolerance” nonsense? Please. You don’t tolerate a parasite. That’s not virtuous - that’s weak. Some ideas are poison. Some people are too far gone. Pretending otherwise just enables the collapse.
Sound familiar?
Because it should.
You literally contradicted the entirety of your last response. But good job. 👍
Bleach, actually. A small amount of bleach added to spoiled milk makes it taste brand new. The government actually suggested this in a few countries for a while.
Plaster in flour was common enough that after the miller, the middle men, and then the baker all added a cut, there were loaves being sold with less than 20% flour in them. The result was mass malnutrition.
Also, and this is a spicy one but backed by basic economics, regulations are a required element to capitalism. The notion that deregulation is pro capitalism is a misinterpretation of the idea that markets are self regulating. A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations. All our current economic woes are the result of straying away from proven economic theory (mostly deregulation) to the right allowing the corruption of the marketplace and emergence of a strong oligarchy.
A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.
And the truth is that the oligarchs, the established players in the game of capitalism, do not want a free market. They want a market with the illusion of freedom. A free market like the one you describe is, in fact, a true free market. Because then they have to actually compete with new players. Players who don’t come from the same backgrounds as the established players. Who may have different beliefs, who might not have the same skin color. Who may have a superior product or service to one or more of the established players. Who are free to sit at the same tables as oligarchs and take up space because their government gives them the power to do so. De regulation gives the illusion of a market being free, by making it so that if you want to be a new player in the game, you can, but unless you pay obeisance to the top players, you’re not getting very far. Plus the top players will buy you out, which is essentially them bribing you to walk away from the table.
most regulations exist because corporations suck.
Some exist simply to screw people over or charge them money for something they shouldn’t have in the first place.
See: Regulations around building structures on private property.
Maybe I’m alone in this one but I don’t think I should need to get the cities approval or pay them a licensing fee to build a shed or a tree house in private property. They can lick my sweaty taint for all I care.
Except when that shed catches a fire and that spreads to your neighbour. Or a part of your tree house breaks off and by freak accident hits neighbour on the other side of fence.
Laws are not written for perfect scenario. Laws are written to prevent the bad scenarios.
Yes… Because telling my mom she has to pay the county thousands for a new garden shed, wood shed and chicken coop in her backyard (15 acres btw) is really preventing catastrophe for the neighbors that are literally miles away.
If the regulations can’t be written or upheld in a way that allows for property owners to do their own things on their land then they need to be written in a different way or given exception clauses which they currently do not have.
Not everyone lives in a suburb where they can see what their neighbors are cooking for dinner every night. If your property is booty cheek to booty cheek with the neighbors house then sure I can see where you’re coming from, but a lot of people have a lot of land far away from others and they are told they can’t do x in the middle of nowhere without paying the government some bullshit fee or they are outright denied.
You don’t own your land like that, you basically rent it from the government for the price of property taxes, and because you do it that way, you get better protections and deals and things you can do for your “ownership” than a typical tenant/landlord. You also get the money you pay into the mortgage/land when you resell it, another huge advatange over real rentals.
Whatever you put in the ground, including mercury for gold mining, has broad impacts and we should indeed regulate that for everyone. No one wants mercury in their well water.
Idk what’s going on with your mom/her county, but usually structures like that just mean the property isn’t able to get financing. What specifically is their issue with her sheds? I’ve never heard of such a thing, even for partially collapsed barns, unless they live in a HOA. And further, why would she pay the COUNTY anything? Are they building it?
It depends on the state and what you built, but there are people who have entire houses they live in built illegally. Property just can’t be insured and can only be sold for cash. They dont get fines though.
California. Sierra Nevada mountains in the middle of nowhere. She contacted the county to let them know she was building some small structures and they said she had to pay of bunch of fees for Ricky tacky bullshit that probably didn’t apply to her. Later she learned that everyone that lives out there just does whatever they want and they never notify the county prior. The entire region operates under the whole “better to ask forgiveness than permission” motto.
Since she called the county had us harassed by inspectors and police for months growing up. Even got one of our neighbors fined for an illegal structure on his property since they spotted it while driving down the road to our place.
This was years ago now, but it still really pissed me off.
On one hand, grass still burns and idiots are still idiots. But I also see your point and honestly, it is kinda weird these are not relaxed country side…
Most people that live a ways from any city just do it without asking and nobody from the county ever drives by to see it since it’s in the middle of fuckin nowhere.
My mom was trying to do things by the book and got fucked for it. THAT is bullshit.
See: Regulations around building structures on private property.
Even those are based on people doing it wrong in the past and endangering themselves and others.
If it’s on private property who gives a shit. If your idiot son wants to build a structurally questionable tree house and the parents don’t do anything about it and he dies that’s on them.
I totally understand if they are building shit on a property line and it could fall into the neighbors house or something but most of the time I’ve seen regulations used against private property owners they are building simple structures hundreds of feet away from neighbors or the edge of property and the government should have absolutely zero say over those types of things.
At that point it’s just government overreach and I don’t care for it one bit.
If it’s on private property who gives a shit
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Fires don’t respect property lines.
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Rescue workers still have to deal with the mayhem (and risks you have created) if you do something stupid on your own property.
If your idiot son wants to build a structurally questionable tree house and the parents don’t do anything about it and he dies that’s on them.
Some of us have human empathy.
It’s a shed in the middle of nowhere. What fire code could it possibly be breaking that all the other structures out there aren’t also already breaking? Good lord have you never lived outside of a city?
It’s a big empty field in the middle of 15 acres of woods. Building a shed next to the garden ain’t gonna hurt anyone any more or less than the house itself or any of the neighbors many sheds and structures built right into the woods on their private property all up and down that road.
And what does empathy have to do with anything? I’m not going to tell my neighbors what they can and cannot do on their land. If their kid died building a bad tree house that does suck for that kid and the family, but it is not my or your place to tell them what they can and cannot do on their land. Kids die all the time riding dirtbikes and quads on private property. Should we outlaw that too because it might end badly?
I prefer leaving people alone to do what they want and I want to be left alone to do what I want. I do not understand why yall are so eager to jump to restrictions and happily crawling under a boot.
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If it’s on private property who gives a shit. If your idiot son wants to build a structurally questionable tree house and the parents don’t do anything about it and he dies that’s on them.
it’s on all of us, because all the money and effort that went into educating and raising that kid is wasted. Plus the rippling effects outward from everyone who knew the kid grieving.
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. So because it might make his classmates sad if he dies he’s not allowed to do what he wants on his parents property with his parents permission?
Sounds like some HOA bullshit.
If I’m on my land I’m gonna do whatever I want. I’ll get drunk and do donuts on my lawn. Maybe I’ll set off 10 pounds of tannerite in my backyard because that’s what people do in the middle of nowhere.
I understand that if anything I do on my property somehow ends up effecting others then I can be held liable, but assuming it doesn’t everyone needs to fuck off.
Should my mom not have allowed me to practice my drums in the barn because the audio was escaping the property and the neighbors could hear faint drumming in the middle of the day sometimes?
