When I was on Reddit I felt like my opinion didn’t matter. But here it just feels more open and free.
Every comment I would make on Reddit seemed to get challenged by someone looking to start a long-winded argument as they were, in fact, the main character of the universe.
I like it here because so far, people are nice. It’s like the first day of high school and everyone just wants to be friends and meet people.
No karma competition here. It has a bigger effect on behaviour than you’d think.
It’s like a little trophy or a symbol of validity to some people. You’d see big edits addressing downvoted as if people got personally hit in the head with them.
I don’t blame people though because viscerally, these things are little tokens of “approval” by others at large.
Reddit gamified participation, and the result was an addiction to trying to say things that people would click the updoot for. Here, the comment / post score is used purely to determine the relevance and value of the individual comments and posts. I think the result is clear: people feel less compelled to post the meme, the shitpost, the expected something and are more likely to express a thought they have, or think is valuable to the conversation.
The result is less stuff, but the stuff is more nuanced, interesting, and engaging (even if the engagement metrics are lower). It’s also a less stressful environment to interact with, and is just kinda all around better since no one is trying to profit
God, I love this place. Instead of having to navigate through a mob of idiots to express an opinion or have a discussion, it’s simply informed, quality discussion from top to bottom. What a good feeling, almost gives me hope for humanity
Cherish it now haha. If this place ever gets a lot more popular, you’ll start seeing all sorts of dumb takes and behaviours again 🤪
That’s why I’m feeling a lot better about the steady rate of growth here. At first I just wanted to get everyone over from reddit ASAP, now I’m like okay, I could get used to the small town vibes with a bunch of cool people.
It’s going to be an amazing journey as this place continues to grow. Just remember to laugh at the inevitable drama and cry at the bad memes. Never the other way around 🙃
Small town vibes is exactly how I’d put it haha. I tend to recognize a few posters here and there. Just like at my town’s post office 😂
Votes have a bandwagon effect, both up and down votes. Sometimes it just felt like arguing with an army of mute downvoting zombies; no reply, just downvotes. I completely understand some communities on Lemmy disabling downvotes, even if that means there is no mora a “controversial” vote.
My only fear is that as Lemmy gets bigger, the same botting, brigading and mindless bandwagoning, will also come here.
I feel like your characterization of Reddit users as long-winded and contrarian is inaccurate and frankly offensive. Let me write you several paragraphs about why you’re wrong, sprinkled with thinly veiled personal insults and outright harsh commentary about you as a person.
Sorry, just trying to make it feel like our old home :)
Lmao this was good. You forgot to comb through my post history to see if you can make your comment even more hard-hitting by referencing a personal problem I have that was highlighted in a post or comment from 6 months ago 🤪
They’re here. I got banned from no stupid questions for asking in the comments why an incredibly small group of people gets to define how I use language.
What’s the context? Sounds vague.
If I remember correctly I was arguing that “gender assigned at birth” already had a word for it and it was sex. Somebody asked about intersex people. I said I didn’t see the point in altering my language for such a vanishingly small group. Then a week later the powermod decided to look through my comments and came to the conclusion that I was breaking “rule 7” which is some vague shit about being nice or something. That was one of the things that made me abandon lemmy.world. Old reddit mindset. I left reddit 8 years ago because of that crap and never went back.
I say powermod because they have a over a dozen subs started basically all mirroring reddit ones.
Ya you absolutely deserved to catch flack for that.
You are saying that gender is the same as sex and they’re categorically different things. It’s very easy to learn the difference so if you insist on arguing against facts, you’re damn right people are going to butt against you.
You’re arguing against treating people with kindness by pointing to the fact that they’re a minority. Lmao that’s the definition of a bigot.
If I’m having a conversation with an intersex person that actually cares, which with their prevalence I doubt it will ever happen, I will respect them. Why should I have to change the language I use outside of such a rare situation? We have terms like Biological Sex which mean something, and then we have bullshit like “gender assigned at birth” which on purpose mean nothing. Stop trying to make language intentionally tiring.
I completely agree with you. Now defend your point, which I’ve definitely attacked by replying. 🤺
You had me in the first half sentence.
As the antagonist of this thread, I would have to disagree with this statement. I was, initially, very dismayed to see that no one had taken issue with this comment. Alas, here I am, to set things right. Being that most online communities seem to revolve around my person, I thought that I’d share these thoughts that so many of you had been patiently awaiting.
No but fr, huge fan of these communities. The voices that search out an argument don’t seem to gain quite as much traction on fedi (yet, at least). Probably due to them having a larger overall audience on reddit to feel validated by. Hopefully it stays that way!
As the antagonist of this thread, I would have to disagree with this statement. I was, initially, very dismayed to see that no one had taken issue with this comment. Alas, here I am, to set things right. Being that most online communities seem to revolve around my person, I thought that I’d share these thoughts that so many of you had been patiently awaiting.
This killed me 🤣
Another big difference is the lack of vote fuzzing. It’s more obvious when people are abusing the upvote/downvote function, and it feels more meaningful when you know each vote directly represents a real person.
On kbin you can even see publicly which user made each vote, but idk if that functionality is planned or possible on Lemmy. It’s quite useful for combating brigading.
had me in the first half
I like I can say the words Tiannamen and Square and not feel like bots are out to get me 🙂
The misinfo on Reddit is wild. Just shows people don’t understand federation and how the views of one instances’ moderators doesn’t impact what people can say or do on other instances.
I like you!
Yay!
And I like you too.
That literally couldn’t be further from the truth /s
Reddit comment: “Well actually…” straightens fedora
I‘m way more active here. I want that place to survive and become the new home for former redditors.
Same here, forced me out of my lurker shell. 😅
Alright! How was your day? What did you do?
My day was good. And I posted on Lemmy a few times! Like this one!
Weird. I immediately deleted my comment after posting it. Two hours later, you still could answer it (and probably still can see it).
As an actual answer: I’m happy you had a good day!
Yes. It’s far less hostile here and I don’t fear getting downvoted to hell for asking a question.
Excellent point and I totally agree.
Or, to translate your comment to Redditese: “This.” ;)
Mostly lurked on Reddit, trying to comment here and there on lemmy.
Yeah and lemmy still shows upvotes even if you get downvoted. Also it doesn’t automatically hide your comment if you get negative votes which I find annoying on Reddit
When I joined Lemmy I decided I wanted to engange with the community here on Lemmy, since I on Reddit I just lurked, so I’m much more active here.
I’m not only commenting more (because I’m not afraid people will bite my head off for everything I say) I’m also reading a lot more comments in general. I think it’s for the same reason, the comment threads seem to involve actual constructive discourse. It’s funny that I read fewer posts here than I did at Reddit but I spend a lot more time per post.
because I’m not afraid people will bite my head off for everything I say
How dare you! This is an atrocious thing to say and you should feel bad /s
Oh, don’t worry. There’s still plenty of people who will bite your head off or call you a “concern troll” for genuine opinions that go against the hive mind. Things are just slower.
Yeah, this place sort of just has a better spirit right now. I hope it’s able to hold onto this vibe as it grows.
I’m more active here. You can actually post comments without idiots being toxic about it for no reason. You can actually make posts without them getting removed for no reason. It’s great.
It feels like you can join in later. There are not thousands of replies in the first few hours. So commenting or participating was a waste of time before in many bigger subs. Noone would ever see your answer anyway or interact with you, so there was really no point.
Here it feels like you are actually participating in some way. I really like it.
That’s true - Lemmy displays new comments above “top” comments, allowing them to be seen by everyone.
You can change the sorting, I actually have this post sorted by “top” right now.
Yeah, the default sorting behavior contributes quite a bit.
Posting on reddit felt kinda like lurking most of the time. Here it’s indeed different, as people tend to answer questions etc. that are made in comments.
Reddit comments just get washed away by millions of other users. Where as in this place it’s not as competitive so yea I understand what you mean.
Yeah, I think this is a big part of it. There’s no point posting something in the big Reddit subs most of the time because someone else will have already posted the same thing.
To get noticed you have to be early and/or say something witty or superficially inciteful. There’s no room for nuance.
It just becomes a competition for karma, and if you don’t play you’re screaming into the void.
I feel the lack of (public?) karma will at least help with the repost bots here. That is, if you buy the “bots needing karma to look legit” or the “needs to gather karma to post in some subs” arguments. I’ve always found those to be very weird as no sub I’ve seen needs several thousand karma to post and most bots still look like bots.
Competition for karma sounds like more of the same problem with bots: lots of low effort posts to rise those numbers
Yeah, that will probably help. But I also feel like it just trying to get upvotes makes people compete to post popular but not necessarily good quality stuff. Getting a highly upvoted post is a big dopamine hit in itself.
Upvotes are not so important here, part due to no karma, but partly just because it’s quieter. Hopefully, if activity does pick up, the federated nature of Lemmy means some of that can be avoided. If you’re interested in a topic, you can choose between a very popular community on one instance, or a quieter but more thoughtful community on another instance.
I posted a showerthought mostly to try how posting works. It seemed to be at the top of… is there a /r/all equivalent here?
Anyway, it was visible enough my sister found my account. It kinda feels like moving from a giant metropolis to a village.
I am because I feel it’s great to be a part of the growing numbers of the platform. Everything is a bit rough around the edges and it gives it a ‘far west’ feel
This instance is not big enough for the two of us.
Reddit comment threads are currently just full of groupmind wankery. I like being on a platform where I don’t 100% agree with everyone and I don’t have to hold “sanctioned” opinions that are approved by a mod team of 3.
Reddit was so American too, all the arguments and things seemed to be through their world view. The fediverse should allow much more diversity, and be a bit more multicultural
Americans are the largest English speaking group, as long as we’re in the English part of Lemmy, Americans will still be the largest group.
Reddit unironically gives me 1984 as it’s about to get worse from here on out.
Gonna have to buck the trend and say, no.
I had good experiences on Reddit, I was active in a few different communities and had good engagement without the ‘avalanche of toxic responses’ some people here are describing.
I’m leaving Reddit due to the changes at the top, not because of problems at the grass roots.
Same here. Of course there was always the occasional troll looking for a fight, but mostly acceptable to pleasant interactions.
The grass roots are also wilted, though. All communites decline, unless painstakingly maintained. Not many want to keep doing that on a proprietary, hostile platform. So the overall degeneration is obvious.
I made two post on Reddit in like 2008 or something. One day I’ll have made ten posts here.
You’re off to a good start.
Thank you. Nine eleven was an inside job!
Definitely.
For example, I’ve just written and posted a comment in this very thread. That’s more than I’d ever do in a thread like this on Reddit.
Same!
There are several of us!
DOZENS!!!
I used to be pretty active on Reddit and I kinda became more and more “sour” and unfriendly over there, because the whole community just dragged me down for some reason.
Here, it’s like a breath of fresh air and most people are actually quite nice. Topics have finally become more interesting and there’s no such thing as an echochamber. Critical thinking seems to be possible here, as well.
So yes, I became way more active again since I’m on Lemmy. Also, I host my own instance and I put a lot of effort into it, so I want it to be in good standing with other instances. Participating in friendly conversations will help with that.
I want to comment more but I often don’t have much to say. I’ve made it a goal to comment more though, because I want to see this platform succeed.
I love the enthusiasm in this thread but if we the mass migration of reddit users that I am hoping for, the toxicity and annoying reddit behaviors are probably coming along with them. I am hopeful that this place will at least stay much more open and free.
Toxicity is good it encourages people to argue which is more content for Lemmy. I’ve only recently joined but I want to make an active attempt to be toxic and spark engagement.
Stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. The goal should be to create a more positive environment that encourages real discussion instead of the toxic dumpster fire that reddit has become. Just engage positively instead. If you have something interesting to say people will respond and that will provide content for Lemmy.
