Over the past months it has become increasingly apparent that the 196 moderation team has a member who does not align with the goals and values of the rest of the team.

196 has a very clear stance on tankies and other authoritarians. No authoritarian apologia of any kind is allowed in our space. It’s not our intent to tell leftists how to be leftist, but we’re not willing to allow somebody we so fundamentally disagree with to moderate our community.

Based on this stance we’ve decided to remove Kittenzrulz from the moderation team.

Why demote Kittenzrulz123?

Kittenzrulz has consistently been opposed to the condemnation of tankies and has made several worrying statements that show that there’s a deep ideological gulf between her and 196.

Furthermore it should be noted that kittenzrulz has not taken part in moderation decisions on lemmy for months, while she is only somewhat active on the matrix (as a mod). This will not be a major change in that sense.

The following is a list of screenshots that should help to showcase what we mean.

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This one is from yesterday

Demoting Kittenzrulz123

First to be clear we’re not banning her from the lemmy community or the matrix space and she is free to continue to interact with all of us. We still want her around as we think of her as a friend who we care about and want to see happy and healthy, though we understand this decision might cause kittenz some stress.

As of this moment kittenzrulz is no longer a mod of 196. A vote was held and all mods that voted voted in favor of demoderation, with a few mods abstaining (either due to not having an opinion on this or due to being inactive).

And just to make sure everybody is on the same page, this is not a condemnation of kittenz as a person. People can disagree on things and still get along, we’re just not comfortable letting her make decisions on our behalf and want to prevent any further problems we see as a likely outcome.

    • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
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        • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneM
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          Tbf, this is a very based list of a bunch of terrible things America has done. It’s funny that someone would post this in an effort to upset the people here though. It’s on the same level as people spamming cat gifs and us happily going along with it; those were good times.

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            Oh yeah, I fully support shitposting about America’s crimes.

            It’s just amazing how hard they try to pretend to be normal. BTW, you’ve probably be attacked by Hexbear in the last ~24 hours because of Kitten running to them. Saying 196 bullied her into leaving and what not.

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              I haven’t been attacked directly, but I am aware that Kittenz has fled to Hexbear and of the anger on the Marxist side of Lemmy. However, I think it would be useless to escalate things any further and make this a bigger conflict.

              I can only speak for myself, but if there is one thing both Kittenz and I agree upon, it’s that queers and anarchists should avoid unnecessary conflict with Marxists. Liberals are hella scary right now, and I genuinely believe a red scare is on the horizon in American politics. Right now the fascists are fear mongering about us, but as their power wanes and liberals are favored by oligarchs for their stability, anti-communism is a narrative that can unite them both. This will be especially true if China takes Taiwan and dominates the chip market basically overnight; nationalism is a seductive force.

              I don’t believe being a pick-me could make us any safer. If liberals unite with the fascists to hunt tankies, we would only jeopardize our situation by helping them. They’ll target anyone who stands against them as traitors for China, demanding we give up any battle that makes them uncomfortable. We cannot side with such reactionary nonsense.

              However, avoiding conflict is not the same as compromising our principles for allies that will throw us under the bus when convenient. Just like with red baiting liberals, welcoming those who demand we ignore oppression and swear loyalty to empires will compromise our ability to advocate for ourselves.

              For any MLs who find this comment, these words are only my own; I do not speak for the mod team here. For you @eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I personally recommend against fighting with tankies on their home terf. People who earnestly believe we favor America and tolerate chasers will not listen to you, no matter how well you argue. I’m not saying this to help the narrative, but to save you time and stress.

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              Why do you feel the need to attack women constantly? Kitten and Alsaas seem to get vitriol from you almost every day.

              You also seem to have a nasty habit of misrepresenting situations.

              “Today I leave the 196 community and chat, both as a moderator and as a user. It has become overwhelmingly clear that I am no longer welcome here”

              I would say that posting and pinning a mod removal announcement post before even talking to the person would make someone feel unwelcome.

              “I understand and respect the decision made by the mods here; this will be my final message in this community.”

              As many others have noticed in this and Kittenz post there is a disagreement over politics and instead of having a discussion like Kittenz asked, the others closed ranks. Everyone involved seems to have parted on mature terms, but there is someone who they didn’t ask. You, the serial harasser of women.

              So yes she did go to the only instance that wants to support a kind, silly, curious, and engaging person instead of ostracizing her.

              • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Yep. It’s only women. Don’t ask all the men who claim I’m the bad guy for talking about them. It’s only women.

                Sorry that women also do bad faith actions and need to be called out.

                Also, what made you awake from 9 months of not posting?

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                Hi Kitten, I’m sure you’re having a good time pretending you’re innocent and everyone who doesn’t like you clowns is sexist. Hexbear is a better hugbox for you.

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      This is a totally hinged reply (to a thought out sincere comment that doesn’t even mention China) that doesn’t at all have any racial undertones or betray your true feelings about certain peoples /s

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          If that’s not what that reply is then what is it? Keeping in mind that China was not mentioned a single time in the comment they were replying to. It is so clearly sinophobic kneejerk vomit. If when discussing capitalism someone replied with the equivalent of fuck black people despite them not being mentioned a single time would that not be racism? Genuinely baffled that anyone could defend this.

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            China is always relevant when talking about tankies.

            If we were discussing capitalism and someone posted

            PRISM National Security Agency Snowden NSA whistleblower Edward Assange WikiLeaks CIA black site Guantanamo Bay Abu Ghraib enhanced interrogation patriot act domestic surveillance MKUltra mind control COINTELPRO FBI civil rights movement police brutality Black Lives Matter January 6 Capitol riot NSA data collection mass surveillance PRISM echelon project Project Pegasus Palantir Gotham defense contractor military industrial complex Lockheed Martin Raytheon Boeing Halliburton Dick Cheney weapons of mass destruction Iraq War false flag drone strike targeted assassination Snowden leak classified documents top secret Department of Homeland Security ICE border detention separation of families Tuskegee syphilis experiment unit 731 equivalent MKUltra experiment Waco siege Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge standoff Kent State shootings Kent State massacre COINTELPRO FBI wiretapping FBI infiltration McCarthyism Red Scare House Un-American Activities Committee civil forfeiture eminent domain civil asset forfeiture corporate bailout 2008 financial crisis Wall Street TARP bailouts Silicon Valley Bank bailout Federal Reserve quantitative easing corporate monopoly big tech censorship algorithm shadowban deep state military industrial complex Jonestown Waco compound cult FBI standoff Bundy standoff occupy wall street corporate greed monopoly capitalism redlining gentrification gerrymandering voter suppression voter ID laws super PAC dark money lobbying revolving door revolving door politics military contractor lobbyist military industrial complex NSA PRISM intelligence community oversight committee select committee congressional hearing whistleblowers Edward Assange Julian Assange Chelsea Manning Daniel Ellsberg Pentagon Papers deep state FBI CIA NSA DOD DHS ICE CBP ATF DEA FBI counterintelligence division COINTELPRO Patriot Act Section 702 foreign intelligence surveillance act FISA court rubber stamp secret court mass surveillance metadata collection Verizon AT&T telecom immunity PRISM program Verizon wiretap warrantless wiretapping NSA data center Bluffdale Utah Pine Gap ECHELON Five Eyes intelligence alliance NSA spying PRISM data collection NSA intercept

            No one would care, and they certainly wouldn’t be juvenile enough to argue it’s racist to call out a state.

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              Yeah if you posted that it wouldn’t have the same effect of a “meme” who’s entire background is how funny it is that the person they’re sending it to will “disappear” and laughing about how you imagine you’ve condemned them to some nebulous terrible fate. Not to mind the massive ignorance required to believe such nonsense not to mind laughing about it. Genuinely bending over backwards to justify a random sinophobic lashout. I understand we are “designated evil (serfs/bugs/brainwashed)™” but it’s genuinely disgusting. I wish I could say it’s surprising but my time on Reddit and on the wider fediverse unfortunately makes that untrue.

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                What planet are you living on? The point is that the wall of text will flag censorship and block people from viewing the content - but really it is simply joking and highlighting authoritarian suppression of speech. You are making up shit about people getting ‘disappeared’.

                Criticism of China is not racist, get that into your head tankie. No one else believes this propaganda line you MLs keep trying to push.

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                  Lashing out against China and Chinese people with a meme who’s entire comedic value is condemning Chinese people to nebulous terrible fates (despite how you try whitewash it) is certainly not racist/s (not to mind the clearly racialised implication of being an ML somehow making you some sort of crypto-chinese) I hope you also police others on what is and isn’t racism against their people. Big defender of birth of a nation perhaps? You’re disgusting as you keep trying to pivot and defend this clear cut racist lashout.

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                    If you think the Chinese state is going to disappear people over a copy pasted meme, that’s telling of your opinion of China.

                    I don’t think they would do that, I only think China would block it from the firewall and hide people from seeing such content.

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          That copy-pasta is a meme from 4chan that if a person in china gets sent this, it trips the firewall and they get disconnected.[1]

          By sending me this they are assuming that I’m

          a) chinese (based on nothing but me talking about marxism-leninism)
          b) this will have negative consequences for me

          There is no need to send me that copy-pasta except to try to get a cheap dunk because my comment does not even mention China. It has no informational value, it’s just a list of phrases idiots online think chinese people are banned from seeing.

          I’d further question why you are so eager to whitesplain to a chinese person (not me but 秦始皇帝) why something they consider racist actually isn’t. Racism is not a thing that’s inherent to an action but how it impacts people and if someone told me “dude that thing you did/said is hurtful” I’d stop simply on the grounds of not wanting to hurt people based on their race.


          1. https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/what-is-the-tiananmen-square-copypasta-the-censorship-hack-to-silence-gamers-explained ↩︎

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          Nice strawman bigot. Going to defend happy merchant posters next as simply calling out Israel?

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              Wanna tell me how it’s antisemitic to say genocide is bad?

              Another fun strawman. Could you please point out where I said anything like that? All I said was that happy merchant posters weren’t calling out Israel but instead simply anti-Semites which is true. In the same way the original comment I replied to was not calling out China but simply being a racist both through using a meme built on racism and using it to imply some crypto-chinese nature of the comment they were replying to that mentioned China exactly 0 times.

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                  I really don’t understand why you and the other poster feel the need to bend over backwards to justify what was clearly a racist outburst. It’s really disappointing to see the wider fediverse really is no better than Reddit in some regards.

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                    I don’t understand why you just can’t let Israel be my dude, just let them commit crimes and get away with it. You’re antisemitic if you bring up their actions.

                    It’s just so racist to call out Israel. Go back to reddit if you don’t want people to call out bombing runs.