They don’t disagree that the pattern isn’t there, they are all just massively biased/stigmatized against any concepts of mental illness or neurodiversity, choosing to view atypical, consistent behavioral patterns as simply indicative of the underlying, quality of moral character of a person.
i think for historical context you have to understand that a hundred years ago people were literally put into prison (“mental asylum”) for being “mentally ill” and they were never seen again.
that stuff scares people. science (“science”) has done incredible harm to a lot of people in the name of “curing” them. they didn’t just give electroshocks to “mad” people or sterilize the gays (btw, what’s that for if they already don’t make children!?!) but many of the “mental hospitals” were outright torture chambers, intending to scare the large masses of population into “correct” behavior.
people have these horror stories passed down for generations, it’s grave stuff and people don’t forget that even if they don’t speak about it consciously. that’s why it is so difficult to remove that stigma around “mentally ill” people because deep down people are still scared about how they’d be treated if they were declared as such. that’s why there’s so many people just insisting that they’re mentally well, even when it’s gravely obvious that they are not.
And yet they have no problem deciding that I have all kinds of other mental conditions, and try to put me into a mental ward.
I’d been seeing a therapist for years, they say hey you’re probably autistic, lets try to get you an adult autism specialist… I tell my family this, show them the appointment notes from my therapist, the referral…
And they say that I am delusional, hallucinating, and need to be committed.
Mind you, at that point in time I was making more money than anyone else in my family, working a database admin / sql analyst / functionally co-lead of the entire internal tech department job.
But according to them…
( mom has crippling OCD and a literally novel form of neuropathy, is about as mentally capable as an 8 year old … dad is alcoholic, and also an insane MAGA cultist, and is thus literally a paranoid delusional narcissist, who also builds ghost guns in his garage… brother fried his brain at raves a decade ago and with molly and e and god knows what else, is a constant nervous wreck, had been diagnosed with literally more disorders than I csn remember, mostly likely actual correct diagnosis is BPD )
… I am hallucinating and having paranoid delusions, because they can’t read?
So obviously I don’t talk to them anymore.
I get what you are saying in terms of there being a general stigma, but my family had no problem weaponizing that against me, so I don’t think they’re due any … benefit of sympathy due to being misinformed, when they’re actively using their delusional levels of ignorance to ruin my life.
well i get your point that people are stupid and unreasonable, but i learned to look at it like that:
most people are experimental physicists and just need to try things out no matter how stupid these things are, because only from the experimental outcome will people learn. so it’s not for nothing; it just takes a frustratingly long time for things to change.
i think for historical context you have to understand that a hundred years ago people were literally put into prison (“mental asylum”) for being “mentally ill” and they were never seen again.
that stuff scares people. science (“science”) has done incredible harm to a lot of people in the name of “curing” them. they didn’t just give electroshocks to “mad” people or sterilize the gays (btw, what’s that for if they already don’t make children!?!) but many of the “mental hospitals” were outright torture chambers, intending to scare the large masses of population into “correct” behavior.
people have these horror stories passed down for generations, it’s grave stuff and people don’t forget that even if they don’t speak about it consciously. that’s why it is so difficult to remove that stigma around “mentally ill” people because deep down people are still scared about how they’d be treated if they were declared as such. that’s why there’s so many people just insisting that they’re mentally well, even when it’s gravely obvious that they are not.
And yet they have no problem deciding that I have all kinds of other mental conditions, and try to put me into a mental ward.
I’d been seeing a therapist for years, they say hey you’re probably autistic, lets try to get you an adult autism specialist… I tell my family this, show them the appointment notes from my therapist, the referral…
And they say that I am delusional, hallucinating, and need to be committed.
Mind you, at that point in time I was making more money than anyone else in my family, working a database admin / sql analyst / functionally co-lead of the entire internal tech department job.
But according to them…
( mom has crippling OCD and a literally novel form of neuropathy, is about as mentally capable as an 8 year old … dad is alcoholic, and also an insane MAGA cultist, and is thus literally a paranoid delusional narcissist, who also builds ghost guns in his garage… brother fried his brain at raves a decade ago and with molly and e and god knows what else, is a constant nervous wreck, had been diagnosed with literally more disorders than I csn remember, mostly likely actual correct diagnosis is BPD )
… I am hallucinating and having paranoid delusions, because they can’t read?
So obviously I don’t talk to them anymore.
I get what you are saying in terms of there being a general stigma, but my family had no problem weaponizing that against me, so I don’t think they’re due any … benefit of sympathy due to being misinformed, when they’re actively using their delusional levels of ignorance to ruin my life.
i’m really sorry, hearing your situation makes it sound quite difficult. the world should be a better place but what can we do to make it one?
My ideas don’t matter, no one ever has nor ever will listend to them.
Why don’t you come up with some ideas?
I did that for 25 years and despite me being correct ~90% of the time, I just got called insane.
I’m done.
I don’t care.
I can probably surivive the currently occuring 2nd Great Depression, and subsequent cyberpunk dystopia.
Unless you wanna murder everyone in the world with a net worth over roughly 1/4 billion dollars, iy doesn’t matter what you or I think.
well i get your point that people are stupid and unreasonable, but i learned to look at it like that:
most people are experimental physicists and just need to try things out no matter how stupid these things are, because only from the experimental outcome will people learn. so it’s not for nothing; it just takes a frustratingly long time for things to change.
What I’ve learned is that by far, most people do not change, they just become more of what they already are.
Only the curious and honest, or sometimes the seriously traumatized who are actually capable of deep introspection, only they change.