There’s a difference between what some people think of as self defense.
The most obvious is to act in a way that prevents harm to one self - which would only involve violence as a last resort - but many guys seem to want to see it as “an eye for an eye”, which is a very different thing.
Ultimately the issue is there’s two things people are talking about:
And people just talking past each other without being clear about which theyre talking about or disguising one as the other
There’s a difference between what some people think of as self defense.
The most obvious is to act in a way that prevents harm to one self - which would only involve violence as a last resort - but many guys seem to want to see it as “an eye for an eye”, which is a very different thing.