To be clear, this is a jab at the copious amount of sugar that companies throttle down our throats. It’s a critique of big companies.
pepsi has more.
coca-cola is actually about 20th on the list of highest sugar content of mass-produced soda. numerous flavors of crush, fanta, and mountain dew have more, so do several different root beers, and the aforementioned pepsi.
Where I live, we call store-bought iced tea “tooth killer”, because it has so much sugar in it.
the ‘good stuff’ is about one pound of sugar per gallon of tea.
I wonder if people would drink as much if it was called what it is: syrup.
Grams per ounce as a measurement is hurting my brain, but yes, it’s a disturbing amount.
That’s 3.25 g/floz, so:
units "3.25 grams per floz" "grams per litre" * 114.38401 / 0.0087424808That is repulsive.
Why the fuck would you use grams per litre. We use grams per 100 grams of products. Coke is like 33% sugar, that’s easy to calculate if you have g per 100g.
Why not? Coke’s density is nearly equal to water, so once you’ve got everything in SI units, calculations become trivial. One litre of water is 1 kg/l, 100 g is 100 ml, which makes it 11.4 g of sugar in 100 g of product.
(edit) The “original” can of coke (sold in the EU) in my hand doesn’t use grams. It lists the nutritional content in reference to both 100 millilitres and the can’s nominal volume of 330 ml. It says it contains 11.2 grams of sugar in 100 ml.
Now calculating that in Troy pounds per long hundredweight would be actual insanity.
I know my local units, thanks. And we already use g per 100g, so even though it is basically the same as 0.1L people understand 100g proportions better.
I’m not proposing a new unit of description here, I’m saying that the proposed one is absurd given that we have an established and more useful unit virtually everywhere.
iirc most soda drinks are 10g sugar per 100g
Why are you so upset about having to move the decimal point a single place to get your preferred output?
I could see this reaction from someone using freedom units, but it’s just over the top for a sane measurement system.
You misunderstand my reaction. g per 100g is already a established unit that is used everywhere that is a rounding error equivalent to 0.1g/L as you mentioned. So it’s nonsensical to introduce another more confusing measuring unit.
I also interpreted it as some American playing around with metric units while ignoring already established conventions so I went a little bit extra for emphasis, although it might have come out as rude, sorry.
I also interpreted it as some American playing around with metric units while ignoring already established conventions so I went a little bit extra for emphasis, although it might have come out as rude, sorry.
Thanks for the apology, but the agro isn’t warranted for something like this imo.
Given how few of us Americans bother to try to use the metric system, I’d say go a bit easy on us when we try to use your system. No sense in slapping someone away from trying when they don’t know the established conventions, especially when there’s no harm to come of it.
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Obviously Oz per Oz would be superior, simply for how dumb it is
How many wizards is that per oz?
Too many.
the entire discussion about sugar intake seems incredibly heated to me, from just reading the comments. i don’t get why we don’t just sit down¹ and talk this through step-by-step in a meaningful way.
[1]: you can also keep standing if you want to
i’m not a phd in healthcare but i’ve read various things over the years, that i’m gonna say, if others think they have something to add / correct, feel free to chime in.
the amount of sugar intake is recommended by the WHO to be not more than 10% of your daily calorie intake. So if you consume 2000 kcal a day, that means ideally not more than 50g sugar per day.
now, what one must realize about these numbers is that they’re a worldwide average, and numbers can vary a lot by region and individual. for example, people in 1960 in the US consumed more sugar than we do today, yet they had fewer cases of obesity. the reason is because people were more physically active and worked more physically demanding blue-collar jobs. so the situation depends on time, space, individual.
so one shouldn’t take the WHO recommendation as gospel and the only truth to live by.
i’d also like to add that the discussion about sugar typically revolves around diabetes, but that’s not the only effect that excessive sugar intake has. it also causes a higher incidence rate of inflammation; which you can imagine is because bacteria feed off that sugar in your blood, and then produce toxins which make you itchy.
I don’t think there are usually any bacteria in your blood
Hi, OP here. I don’t engage in the debate (the post was meant to be a joke or a ‘shitpost’ mildly critiquing the copious amounts of sugar that companies put in their beverages, was all). However, reading your post, I do feel I need to ask: why exactly is it that you’re talking about sugar in the context of obesity, when most other people seem to be arguing over whether or not sugar gives you diabetes? Is it because obesity leads to diabetes? Can you kindly clarify that link for me? Thanks!
However, reading your post, I do feel I need to ask: why exactly is it that you’re talking about sugar in the context of obesity, when most other people seem to be arguing over whether or not sugar gives you diabetes? Is it because obesity leads to diabetes? Can you kindly clarify that link for me? Thanks!
yeah sure! i’ve just searched for an article on this and this was the first result: https://www.uhhospitals.org/blog/articles/2023/03/can-eating-too-much-sugar-cause-diabetes
the gist of it is: there’s two types of diabetes: Diabetes 1 and diabetes 2, which have very different mechanisms. both have the same symptoms, which is that your body fails to regulate blood sugar levels on its own, but the reasons behind this are very different.
- people with diabetes 1 just don’t produce enough insulin because the body part that normally produces insulin (pancreas) is broken. this is an organ defect and can be caused by an immune system that attacks the own body cells. bad stuff; typical onset is in childhood and is life-long. probably mostly genetic, other risk factors unknown / poorly understood.
- people with diabetes 2 do have enough insulin in their body, but the cells don’t respond to it. normally, healthy cells would start absorbing sugar from the bloodstream once they feel the presence of insulin. but with diabetes 2, they don’t. so there is insulin but the body just doesn’t respond to it. this leads to unstable blood sugar levels.
the type that people usually talk about is type 2 diabetes. this is the kind that depends on food intake, and excessive calorie intake is a large contributing factor. basically, cells try to stabilize their internal sugar levels as well, and if the cell is full, it becomes more hesitant to respond to insulin and take in even more sugar. now, if you’re obese in general, the cells are typically full of sugar, so they respond less well to additional insulin and hesitate to accept even more sugar, which is what causes the diabetes symptoms.
now, eating a lot of sugary stuff is bad for two reasons: for one because it makes type 2 diabetes more likely, and for two because if you already have diabetes, it makes the symptoms worse. since the body has an even more difficult time to keep the blood sugar levels stable and not spiking.
(type 2 diabetes is the one that’s more common btw; type 1 diabetes is only in a rare few cases)
Fair enough, thanks for the insight
I’m concerned at the thought of how short of a time it would take me to consume four gallons of skittles. Much less than six months, that’s for sure.
Angus MaCavity would be rubbing his greasy little hands if he read this…
A medium sized apple has 20 grams of sugar. It comes with other benefits that soda doesn’t, vitamins and fiber, but it still has a load of sugar in it.
So an apple contains about half the sugar a can of coca cola does, and comes with various other benefits?
You’re unlikely to eat two apples in a row, let alone eight or nine on top of having all three of your usual meals. But you could fairly easily drink an entire large bottle of coke throughout the day, which is exactly the problem.Edit to add: this is why fruit juice isn’t exactly healthy either. Sure, it’s got vitamins, but it’s basically soda.
For reference, that’s 2.8 tablespoons.
Oh I’m sure there’s someone who adds close to three tablespoons of sugar to their tea.
No one sane, of course. Southern US sweet tea? Lol
Thank you for saving me from math
Yup
A good bar bet is that a coke will have more sugar than any candy bar.
I think this is no longer true (but almost) due to tRump shrinkflation
Care to put a few rounds on it?
Gotta balance out all that phosphoric acid…
Is that a bet where the winner gets a Mr. Goodbar?
There is way to much sugar in coke
But be the devils advocate. The current anti sugar trend is worse.
Sugar is a natural and useful component to the body. There are times where having sugar available is not only important but can save lives (including some types of diabetes)
I have gone to locations where all provided drinks where zero sugar and bringing your own drinks not allowed. Thats is not an improvement.
I have gone to locations where all provided drinks where zero sugar and bringing your own drinks not allowed. Thats is not an improvement.
Sorry, but why? The vast majority of the foods that we eat contain plenty of sugar.
Even with a pretty healthy diet you’re still getting enough sugar. High sugar vegetable like carrots, bell peppers peppers, onions, sweet potatoes, and beets more than meet your needs, especially when paired with even the smallest amount of fruit.
the thing is that the sugar in solid food is not as rapidly absorbed as from soda. so if you have hypoglycemia and are about to faint in ~90 seconds, eating a carrot is not gonna save you
Eating a carrot to ingest sugar??? Who ever heard of such a thing?
Its not a big problem if you are not one of the people with a medical issue that need a reliable and exactly known amount of sugar.
Its a life endangering problem if you are.
Foods are rarely as standardized as drinks. Medical professionals relked on the availability and exactly known amount of sugar in regular code to prescribe it as part of a diet.
This was at some point even adressed on my local news when they changed the coke zero packaging to be more like regular coke. There is an increased change a customer (or waiter) could grab the wrong can and taste wise you wouldn’t know. This goed both directions.
People who can’t have sugar may be served sugar.
People who require sugar may be served sugar free.
I bet the scope of this problem is small but at least some medical professionals and health groups agree that this is not the way to go.
lemmy.blahaj.zone is not the best place for serious discussions because you can’t downvote bad takes
for the rare case that somebody actually needs a shot of sugar due to hypoglycemia (which only diabetic people have), these people typically carry sugar around with them for this exact purpose.
OP here. The problem is, this is actually a shitpost. IDK what the heck is going on in my comment section rn
I would certainly hope you get an exception to bring your own sugared something when showing proof of medical needs.
But i have never seen it explicitly stated that such exception is possible on events that ban you from taking food/drink. Which appears to be more and more common as culture gets bought out and enshitificated.
Mayve i am too autistic to assume such exception exists but i have been burned by assuming common sense will apply many times before.
Its also not just diabetics, some medications can cause thypoglycemia too. It also shouldn’t really matter what the reason is.
Its odd downvoted dont work on your end, my comment has 5 of them.
Mayve i am too autistic to assume such exception exists but i have been burned by assuming common sense will apply many times before.
relatable
also i agree with the rest of your comment
You just have to wean yourself off of sugary drinks. You really don’t need them with the amount of sugar you get via your food.
Not if you have Hypoglycaemia.
i think that this is a bad take as well. you can’t just reliably “wean yourself off” of coke if you actually do burn a lot of calories, because it’s not as if people could just digest arbitrarily large amounts of solid food. coke should exist, it just shouldn’t be the norm.
What happened to all the people who burned a lot of calories before coke was invented?
beer, i guess
i implore people to not continue associating high sugar to creating diabetes. the ‘research’ that is often cited is just corelation there is no causation link of sugar to diabetes
its yet another way politicians, corporations, healthcare industries have weaponized obesity to dehumanize, deny care, and blame diseases on individual habits rather than the actual evidence of genetics playing a huge sometimes the only role.
coca cola is bad as a company, its bad for doing what it does with its products and causes real harms. but this cheap labeling as sugar = diabetes is just harming the people not coca cola
You got a source for that?
Good general read: https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/sugar-doesnt-cause-diabetes
General recommendations from CDC and NIH don’t include anything about sugar consumption. Correlations with obesity that one might jump to saying has parts of high sugar consumption is only linked/associated not causally linked as presented: https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/about/about-type-2-diabetes https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/symptoms-causes
General glance at a meta analysis here is still a correlation link: https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3576
Regarding the weaponized thing, that takes a lot more effort to explain that I don’t got right now. The first article explains some cultural aspects of what I meant but the institutional level is it’s own thing.
Diabetes is not linked to being caused by high sugar intake, or anything else in any substantial manner that I can find. There are correlations with a lot of things, but we don’t know the cause.
We know obesity is weaponized in healthcare to abuse patients, reduce or remove care, and other general bad things, where in many many cases its correlations not causation. Correlations like sugar use being treated as fact creates discrimination and medical shield for corporations to hide behind denying care. The link being used as a cheap shot to call out coca cola hurts both those with diabetes who are faced with this idea that it’s their fault, all the while doing nothing about coca cola or the systemic issues it created to get away with this.
thank you for this, i scrolled looking for someone saying this, and almost commented something myself, much less well-put. it seems to be a ubiquitous belief that anyone with type-2 diabetes got it from making sinful food choices, rather than it being caused by unknown factors, and there being many risk associations such as stress and genetics, but also including weight. to me the bottom line is that it isn’t a settled question, and it irritates me when people act like it is, and moreso act like the answer just so happens to perfectly align with fatphobia
no problem. i initially had an angry dismissive comment in mind but i realize that a lot of people dont even know the link is just correlations and have bought into a century of propaganda & bigotry. best to be kind when unsure
words to live by!
Well, you don’t get throttled ever by the soda company. They have diet and no sugar options. If you complain about artificial sugar, then what are you really angry about here? Capitalism? Just say capitalism. ZERO companies FORCE dumb Americans to consume their product. If there’s anything amerikka has more of than any country on earth, it’s food options.
Coke is sold all over the world.
It’s most consumed in Mexico actually, and has a large hand in that country’s diabetes and obesity epidemics.
Individual choice is commendable ideal, it also allowed tobacco companies to wreak a century of woe for profit.
Don’t put it in your mouth. And watch out for sofa manufacturers who sneak into your room at night and force feed you.
I haven’t drank the shit in years. I’m more concerned about the children.
Advocating for Coke’s freedom to poison people is a weird look.
So, to be clear, you’d like all sugar banned from the USA? Because the muffin at the grocery store has a bunch of sugar in it too, but no one seems to care about that.
I’m fine with banning sugar. I just want to know how you’re going to justify focusing on coke and not…. Basically ALL American food.
Coke makes dozens of soft drinks. And perpetrates a large share of plastic waste, I wouldn’t mind an example being made of them.
I’m not suggesting banning sugar in any way. I’m suggesting that some form of regulation could take place. A tax, a limitation beyond how much you can physically dissolve in the liquid, a warning label. Something.
Don’t tax anything. Just don’t consume it. Done. No one has anyone by the throat forcing them to drink soft drinks.
Not angry about anything bro. It’s just a joke post
Oh a shitpost.
Pretty much ;)
Well, you don’t get throttled ever by the opioid company. They have diet and no sugar opioids. If you complain about artificial opioids, then what are you really angry about here? Capitalism? Just say capitalism. ZERO companies FORCE dumb Americans to consume their opioids. If there’s anything amerikka has more of than any country on earth, it’s healthcare options.
Healthcare options
I know this is a joke because America has limited healthcare compared to the rest of the world. All a person has to do is go to another country to find that out.
I thought America had a lot of options honestly, if you also happen to have a lot of money. But I could definitely be mistaken, maybe their options are shit for the wealthy too.
Don’t put it in your mouth. And watch out for sofa manufacturers who sneak into your room at night and force feed you.
And watch out for sofa manufacturers who sneak into your room at night
Ok, if I see anyone in my room in an SCS t-shirt, I’ll be very weary
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