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    “It only takes 1 generation refusing to be indoctrinated into worshipping a nonexistent fairytale that was fabricated to control the uneducated masses for the next generation to know better about religion.”

    Fixed it with help from Space_Jamke

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      To know better about religion*

      Patching it up some more. Stay informed and spread the news of religion’s intrinsic failings, so the next generation doesn’t repeat the mistakes of today.

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      It used to be used for good, it is not religion or the idea of it that cause the problem. It is the people, and if these people still exist, they will just create another thing for them to exerts greed and control over the populace.

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        … the bible literally tells you how to keep and beat your slaves. Also to kill babies.

        … Another religion worships a “god” that has an 8 year old child wife.

        It’s not evil people manipulating religion. Religion is evil.

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          Counterpoint: Religion cannot be evil, as it is a human construct and cannot exhibit behavior, evil or otherwise. It’s people who use it for evil. The people are the problem.

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            Is a computer virus not evil?

            The original writer might be dead but it doesn’t mean that on its own the virus can’t do harm anymore.

            Religion is a virus. The words are of hate and bigotry. As long as a single human is still infested with the “religion virus”, it will be able to spread hate and oppression.

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              Is a computer virus not evil?

              No, software is not capable of being immoral or wicked. It might have been created with immoral and wicked intent, but the intent of the creator does not imprint wickedness onto the creation.

              Really, though, I get the point you’re trying to make. We’re just arguing semantics.

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                Yes it does.

                If I wrote a virus code to destroy other people’s computers and put it onto the internet, then regardless if I’m still alive or not, the code is going to continue to do the evil it was made for.

                Intention matters. Religion was made to control people. It will continue doing so until it is completely wiped off the face of the earth.

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                  Not OP but virus is just an algorhytm without decisive power to act either way, it has no ground for intent or decision. Like a gun. It’s people who kills. You being alive doesn’t matter if you left a shotgun rigged to shoot at the door once someone come in. The problem is the man who wrote the guide to create such traps, those who reprint it, those who take it to their heart and indocrinate others to use it to welcome their neighbors.

                  There’s a bad reading of the Fight Club (and not only it). A piece of fiction is mutated by the previous biases, to support them back in a loop. They see Tyler as an alpha chad, and think the same imaginary guy lives within them, and letting him out is the way to become the fucker of women and the leader of men. It doesn’t tik all points of the Religion™, but it’s not far from individual toxic faith. Was Fight Club a bad book?

                  Or in case it isn’t fair, have you read Mein Kampf? Yeah, the universally Bad Book. I’ve read it in my late teens for it was so banned in my country (me edgy), I needed to access the second page of Google before downloading it. It felt sooo boring, and preaching, and whiney, and fake. I literally couldn’t believe someone really read it on their own. But then again, the society of nazi Germany was supposed to read this toilet paper, to gift it to others, to make something out it. And some, who felt like this miserable painter and vet, took it to their heart. They’ve seen answers to questions they had before, they’ve seen their own reflection in it, and they’ve seen their existing hate doubled down in this piece of crap. And others just played in, having it as an accessory because it is what others do.

                  Is it familiar?

                  If there’s a group of miserable people, they would make 50 Shades of Grey a bestseller (they did), and they would execute the code lying in it if they are vulnerable.

                  Educated population with critical perception of media who don’t have these fantasies already, would not be infected with a written word. Their insecurities and biases make it happen, their need to be enabled to act on them. As someone wrote, ‘To shoot, one should have a bullet in their heart’.

                  Abuse of religion comes from people who need it to have slaves, beat wives or find why they are so miserable. Others would not turn into it by reading a book. Unless the same people would make it the rules of the game, like it was to have a gift edition of MK as your table book.

                  To be hurt by a trojan, you need a computer, that would be happy to run it. And growing scepticism against religious radicalism in the west shows we slowly come to immunity against it. But it’s still not neutered, still widespread, as there are still people vulnerable enough for it.

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          The problem is that what they belive in is hundreds of years old. Back when all of that was written this was perfectly acceptable and in some cases even more humane than what was practiced at that time is. The problem is that the world changed a lot and what they belive in didn’t.

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        Religion has caused violence since the beginning of known recorded history

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          Christianity helped community after the fall of Roman Empire and help the oppressed during Roman time. There is a huge amount of pain and suffering caused by the church, but at least it is not what it was founded for.

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            Christianity helped control the community after the fall of the Roman Empire and helped oppress people during Roman times.

            There, fixed it for you.

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    Suppose we have a human extinction, and intelligent life develops all over. All religion will be gone or very different, but science will continue to make the same discoveries all over again.

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      That made me have a thought. Why do SOME (not all) Christians refuse the earth is dying or people are dying or preventable causes. Wouldn’t helping mitigate this make more people christian?

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        They want the earth to die. It’s literally prophesied in their Scriptures, that the sign that their Rapture is imminent include famine, death, war, and conquest. Their explicit goal is to bring about the Second Coming, wherein so many people will be killed, their blood fills up the Armageddon up to the shoulder of a warhorse. The old heaven and old earth, our earth, will very destroyed, so that paradise can come for God’s Chosen.

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          Not exactly? I mean you are correct to name these, but I’ve not seen them wanting it to come faster.

          I mean, some of them call out things they don’t like as sings of coming end, and they are pretty angry about it. Vaxxing being a mark of the beast is my favorite. If they were accelerating the come of their end from the scripture, they could’ve behaved like they are on Woodstock, not in American Gothic. Only doomsday sects who isolate themselves and wait for the end are really into that. Others are too occupied with their lives and earthly posessions, but do use the book when it comes handy, especially for explaining what they are up to, or what happened without their control.

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            Bro I lived in the south, they can’t fucking wait for the rapture down there.

            Of course if I had to live in Tuscaloosa I would also welcome the sweet bosom of the grave.

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            The claim is true for many. If you get salvation when the end comes, and you hate people who are different from you, sooner is better.

            Of course this is absurd but many believe it to some degree.

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              If you put a gun in their hand, would they end themselves? Or shoot random people they hate? I don’t think they are that end-timey and believe in afterlife.

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      Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.

      -Philip K. Dick

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    I wish it was that easy, we should treat religious paraphernalia the same way the Nazis fear and act towards rainbow flags and other signs of peace and love

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      Some people can’t imagine non religious thinking.

      Just like they neurotically interject God into every single aspect of their lives they think I’m neurotically rejecting God, when in reality I’d forget about the topic entirely if fire and brimstone hobos weren’t trying to skullfuck my country into being fire and brimstone.