its so depressing sometimes because theres so many people who stubbornly refuse to believe it, even intelligent highly educated people.
Also frustrating when people respond with “well communism is worse!” I’m like that just skipped several important steps. If we can agree that the current system is Bad, then we can work towards a solution. But just refusing to engage and going full what-about is useless
If we can agree that the current system is Bad, then we can work towards a solution.
ehh, just that things are bad does not mean that they can be made better. consider natural disasters, even if you can evacuate the population before the flood, houses will still be destroyed. you can only mitigate it, not completely solve it. same is for the modern age, i guess. work still had to be done, work sucks -> things suck somehow.
I don’t think natural disasters are a great metaphor. I mean, even as you say you can do some stuff to mitigate flooding.
Often, in the scenario I was describing, it feels like they just accept the flood as inevitable and don’t want to do anything. Build no walls. Dig no drainage. No evacuation. Someone wants to build a dam, and they’re just like “walls?? Like a prison??”
Natural disasters are fine as a metaphor once you realize that we never left the jungle. Other people might be friendly or they might be tigers waiting for you to turn your back before they pounce.
Every utopian makes the same mistake: they see the sleight of hand we call technology and think that makes us different from the warriors who would bash each other’s brains out with clubs, steal all the women, and burn down the village. We’re not. We’re the same damn upright-walking, (mostly) hairless primates we’ve been for the past 300,000 years.
That shit didn’t happen in Australia. There’s very little record of precolonial warfare, especially on the scale you describe. Australian Aboriginal people had an assembly of nations that kept the peace through advanced political mechanisms. Capitalist society is simply far more primitive than Aboriginal hunter gatherer society.
Sure, hunter gatherer societies the world over tended to be more peaceful because they weren’t tied down to defending a piece of land and the food they worked so hard to grow.
The beauty of being a hunter gatherer is that when you get into conflict over a resource, you can just move to another area. Populations tend to stay low as everyone spreads out and develops large territories.
The hard part is figuring out how to get along after the agricultural revolution when people are living in cities, specialized into different roles, with larger populations (way above Dunbar’s number) forced to live in close proximity.
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Also frustrating when people respond with “well communism is worse!” I’m like that just skipped several important steps. If we can agree that the current system is Bad, then we can work towards a solution. But just refusing to engage and going full what-about is useless
ehh, just that things are bad does not mean that they can be made better. consider natural disasters, even if you can evacuate the population before the flood, houses will still be destroyed. you can only mitigate it, not completely solve it. same is for the modern age, i guess. work still had to be done, work sucks -> things suck somehow.
I don’t think natural disasters are a great metaphor. I mean, even as you say you can do some stuff to mitigate flooding.
Often, in the scenario I was describing, it feels like they just accept the flood as inevitable and don’t want to do anything. Build no walls. Dig no drainage. No evacuation. Someone wants to build a dam, and they’re just like “walls?? Like a prison??”
Natural disasters are fine as a metaphor once you realize that we never left the jungle. Other people might be friendly or they might be tigers waiting for you to turn your back before they pounce.
Every utopian makes the same mistake: they see the sleight of hand we call technology and think that makes us different from the warriors who would bash each other’s brains out with clubs, steal all the women, and burn down the village. We’re not. We’re the same damn upright-walking, (mostly) hairless primates we’ve been for the past 300,000 years.
That shit didn’t happen in Australia. There’s very little record of precolonial warfare, especially on the scale you describe. Australian Aboriginal people had an assembly of nations that kept the peace through advanced political mechanisms. Capitalist society is simply far more primitive than Aboriginal hunter gatherer society.
Sure, hunter gatherer societies the world over tended to be more peaceful because they weren’t tied down to defending a piece of land and the food they worked so hard to grow.
The beauty of being a hunter gatherer is that when you get into conflict over a resource, you can just move to another area. Populations tend to stay low as everyone spreads out and develops large territories.
The hard part is figuring out how to get along after the agricultural revolution when people are living in cities, specialized into different roles, with larger populations (way above Dunbar’s number) forced to live in close proximity.