Legitimately a large part of why I’m currently unemployed 😓
“defense” industry when it’s about turning children into ash
I was gonna say, it’s always called defense even when it’s obviously offense.
I think it’s actually called the department of testosterone now
The only people who are having an easier time getting gender-affirming care.
It’s defending US interests from hostile foreign parties, specifically, liberating natural resources from the people who live above them.
Also the US defends its interests when a state’s government wants to regulate US factories, there, say by requiring them to pay workers a minimum wage, make the work environment safe, don’t pay women and children less, allow them a weekend and so on.
Average job title at a defense company: Lethality Engineer
That’s actually an important part of a weapon. It would look bad for the company if they left the civis suffering and able bodied enough to say something about the attack.
Of course it is, but it seems to be a bit of a contradiction in terms, since engineers are concerned primarily with safety.
If ever there was a job title which alone would guarantee entry into hell, this is it.
One of my cousins worked for Raytheon right out of college. He didn’t last long there though. My aunt and uncle are conservative and he lived in a conservative area, so I imagine he went in with a positive view of the defense sector and then soured on it when he saw what was actually being done. All of those cousins were mad at their parents when they voted for Trump, and he attempted to block Fox News from the tv when he moved back in with them
Better late than never I suppose.
Can confirm it’s the same with all the other one’s, like CGI, NorthropGrumman, GDIT, Leidos, CACI, etc.
Never met a person that’s said they treat them right in any of these places. I’ve had experience with at least 2 of them and I personally did not like working with these companies. They don’t treat you like a human being, which is not exclusive to these companies, but it really stands out with these guys when comparing with other kind of environments and employers.
The whole defense space in general is pretty toxic, at least where I’ve been at. I would say they mostly lean conservative just by how the culture is in this sector.
I worked at/with Northrup Grumman for a few years, not directly but for a company that did contract consulting for them at their shipyards on the gulf coast. That place was basically staggering levels of corruption combined with staggering levels of incompetence. The actual NG employees did not see much of that money, though, although what they did make was pretty good for that part of the country.
That place was universally conservative, no doubt about it.
As someone who has worked at these places, most of the criticism about the type of work is fair enough. But they are actually some of the most liberal work environments you will find. The are tons of minorities at defense contractors, including trans people. They’ve tried to tone down their vocal embrace of minorities to please Hegseth, but they take all comers.
You think that’s bad, how about using your law degree to lobby on behalf of oligarchs.
That definitely puts them at the bottom with fraud and treachery. While working for a defense contractor merely falls under wrath and avarice, a slightly less severe circle of hell.
As someone in cybersecurity, don’t fall for the claims that they pay more and the money is somehow worth it.
They pay a competitive salary just like everyone fucking else. They will not shower you in money. Companies like Google, OpenAI and Meta will pay way more than the average company, and defense contractors are generally average.
Check https://levels.fyi/ if you doubt me. Check Raytheon software eng salaries. It’s like $70k to $200k. Companies like Meta are literally something like twice that. $70k might sound nice but software engineers make twice that easy in tech centers like San Jose, San Francisco, or Seattle.
They get a lot of applicants because people fall for this, and thus don’t have to pay as much as you think.
There are plenty of dipshits who just need a job who don’t care who they work for. You will not get rich working for them. you will just compete with other fucks like yourself that have no morals, and somehow think they’re special and that the company is less evil with them there.
Your salary is mostly tied to the company, what they’re willing to pay, and how hard you’re willing to negotiate. You will find high salaries elsewhere if you know how to play this game.
Trust me you’ll go to hell working for OpenAI or Google too.
Was just about to say, tech companies are increasingly taking defense contracts so that’s a distinction without meaning.
be fair, Google amd OpenAI are defenae contractors (and Facebook might as well be one too)
Well put.
“$70k might sound nice
but software engineers make twice that easyintech centers likeSan Jose, San Francisco, or Seattle.”If you like eating scraps out of a trash can and counting
penniescoins.I gave up on c-sec. I only wanted to do it because of all the scamming these days. Then one day I realized, fuck it. The amount of stupidity and neglect is incredible. The classes are so far behind that I joked that I was taking computer history classes. I learn on my own and oh boy do I hate college. I give them a real world solution and they want someone to parrot the shitty outdated textbook (ebook). Like this book is outdated the moment it was released, maybe even written.
Then none of these classes prepare you for anything without independent study. Over the time of taking several semesters, I kept bringing up that the school website is very vulnerable. Yeah they got hacked twice. That’s when I realized that this is likely what working in c-sec will be like. You get ignored and then blamed and then told to go fix the problem.
So I’m going to just sit back and watch the embers. There’s plenty of other stuff I can do.
Used to be a tool designer in US SE. Left $20/hr 60hr/week automotive job for $21/hr 40hr/week defense job temporarily while waiting for a tech support job. Now I moved to NZ and got a really cushy job in the architect sector and make double.
What’s really weird to me able that defense job was no-one has filled it for so long because of lack of pay the due dates for the designs on my desk ranged from the 90’s to early 2010s.
In automotive you couldn’t be a single day late, doesn’t matter how many hours you have to work or how many warm bodies to cram into a single office. Architecture you can be a couple weeks late, but no more. But to have designs 2 decades late and still be wanted/required and valid is so wild; and not a penny extra for overtime or if they can’t hire anyone at that rate.
Oh hey this is one of the reasons I don’t speak to my parents. That genocide paid for 300h therapy and a nursing degree.
I swear I thought the drone guiding system would only be used for small drones used to film YouTube videos.
You can fantasize about imaginary punishment realms and guillotine.webp or you could punish them while they yet live and learn some carpentry skills.
used to work with someone that designed the circuits in missiles. he couldn’t do it anymore and left the field.
I keep saying to myself, at least I am not in “defence” or AI. Pay is bad, career is practically impossible, and positive impact on the world is near zero, but at least I am not making things worse with my day job.
Well someone has never read the bible.
The Bible didn’t even invent the concept of hell
The Bible didn’t invent anything.
Son of God, return from the dead, Heaven and Hell, Garden of Eden, Noah’s ark, nothing
Stapled “ancient mythology’s greatest hits” together and rebranded it.
I seem to recall the “promised land” was inhabited back then too, according to the bible. What was it “god” commanded again? Oh right, genocide.
Even got after them for not genociding hard enough once (1 Samuel 15)
Psh, just spec into a religion that doesn’t have a hell 😎💰
The world would be a much better place if only our enemies had any weapons.
No, you see, we need to design new and exciting kinds of bombs for the country with a larger military budget than the next ten largest national military budgets on Earth put together which we know they will drop on children, because if we don’t, you see, then another country like China with a fifth of our defense spending might build a newer bomb and drop it on someone we do like. Which we would be powerless to prevent.
Yes, like Taiwan.
Remember, kids, there’s no such thing as defense, only offense. The only thing you can do to stop yourself being bombed is threaten to send anyone who upsets you back to the stone age 👍
And you gotta be scared of Taiwan. It’s a real scary threat. A tiny island nation with a military budget nearly 2% the size of ours! There’s no such thing as radar and anti-missile countermeasures, you know. If we don’t have enough bombs to drop on children to make a worldwide show out of what happens to anyone who offends us, there’s absolutely nothing stopping a country like Taiwan from wiping our biggest cities off the map!
Oh what’s that? Taiwan makes most of our semiconductors and all they would have to do to cripple our economy is stop selling them to us? Well that’s all the more reason to need bombs then, isn’t it? Just as as something to… how you say… “align incentives”.
No, silly, I meant China would bomb Taiwan 😂
Seriously, though, read a newspaper or something.
Hey man, the bay area had too many salad restaurants and wanted me to live in a condo. I just want to live in a single family home, run air conditioning 24/7, and eat from drive thru restaurants, while shopping at Walmart. The system works for some.
/s
I once worked for a defense contractor as a programmer. 😬
…but I didn’t have a degree yet (it was an internship while I was still in college) so it’s fine, right? 😅
I had occasion to freshen up my resume recently and did some research on said defense contractor. They’d changed their name (is that an oddly-common practice among defense contractors?) and pivoted into “agentic AI” bullshit for the private sector. It’s good that I never sought a full time position there.
