Oh my fucking god, this might be the most badass comeback to those shitty “it’s gay” arguments I’ve heard in a long time 😂
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Hi, local pedantic lemming here, one correction. She was not “born male,” but merely “assigned” as one. Carry on.
You are correct. Please ignore my absolutely unpedantic ass and carry on. Thanks ♥️
I don’t think the people calling him gay see the woman he’s dating as “used to be male”.
I wish people would let these kind of comments remain on the platform they were original posted in. I visit The Lemmy Club to get away from content like that. 😞
Some may disagree but even the idea that trans women were ever men in the first place is kinda backwards. Trans people have the brains of the gender they are and we are our brains, not our genitals. Trans people are just adjusting their body to the identity they always were in the first place.
Also, even if you’re ill informed enough to think its gay…so what? Why is being gay bad? Enough with the fucking bigotry already get over yourselves.
we are our brains, not our genitals
This resonates. Excellent quote.
Kinda completely unrelated but one of the reasons the professional skater Andy Anderson is goated is his famous “your brain is YOU” line in regards to wearing helmets. Like, your dick could be obliterated today (apologies for graphic nature) and if you survived it wouldn’t make you a woman, unless you wanted to be, in your heart which is a metaphoric way of saying your brain and now I’m confusing myself
I think a big problem is just in language and preserving history. There’s an idea of deadnaming and an implication you shouldn’t use a trans person’s pre-transition name, but it gets complicated when talking about pre-transition events, since the person was referred to (possibly posted under) their old name and was seen by the people at the same as the gender they identified as at the time, which can get really confusing and hard to keep consistent.
Could go so far as to argue it’s revisionist to do so, though I don’t really think so, but it might be running into some of the same problems in terms of preserving history. But it’s mostly just hard to talk about correctly, respectfully and clearly.
My mom had a hard time with this until I asked her if it hurt more to fuck me over or rewrite the name I went by as a child. It clicked and now she has no issues just replacing my identity completely when talking about my past.
When everyone knows you by who you are now, revise history. Doing anything less will only confuse everyone and humiliate you for no reason.
It’s like misogyny, why is being compared to a woman an insult? Fuck bigotry, especially the borderline genocide happening to trans people right now.
I wish I understood this earlier than like 4 years sgo. They don’t teach it at school in the country where I and Miisha live, even the “woke” one I went to (or I don’t remember, I was super ignorant back then)…
Better late than never :)
This country sucks ass. Fuck this place tbh :p
This is an oversimplification. It often (not always) aligns closer to the affirmed gender, but neuroscientists often describe post-mortem trans brains as a mosaic.
Brains in general are mosaics as is all biology. It’s a bioessentialist take to view our bodies and brains as split in a binary manner.
For the purposes of this discussion it doesn’t really matter what’s going on with the physical structure of their brain. If their brain thinks and feels they are women then they have a woman’s brain.
I disagree. I think the distinction is important. And I’m half of the discussion.
Care to provide more detail?
I agree! This comment is
trueTo be accurate, you are what you are, both mentally and physically. Both count, and both are valid reasons to be attracted to or not attracted to someone. What labels those are given can be nuanced or not, depending on the audience and intention. That’s the reality of it all.
Nah idk about all this washy washy shit. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. THATS the reality.
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shut the fuck up
Unless something has changed and we’re all robots, we are all biologically ourselves.
In terms of sex we all have a wide variety of differing traits that create a mosaic rather than binary understanding. https://theconversation.com/biological-sex-is-neither-binary-nor-a-spectrum-a-biologist-explains-how-its-multidimensional-289786
Why not both? Or just forget labels and fuck.
Or just forget labels and fuck
Now that’s an idea! 😂
I like it :3
I actually discovered I was gay (or realistically just not straight) when my partner transitioned XD
I’ve been married for so long that I’d just take one for the team if my partner transitioned. Divorce is no joke.
I thought i was at least 20% gay for being okay with transwomen. I now realize im 100% gay b3cause im a transwoman with a wife.
Win-win? Happy partner, happy you?😂
“Nooo, it’s because they’re actually a 1000 year old reincarnated male dragon!”
In her case is the opposite, a 2yo in a 20 something body.
Release the Neelix files.
Is this a reference to that person that wanted to be refered to with dragon pronouns a while back?
It’s referencing all the loli fans who enjoy CSAM and justify it by calling the girls 1000 year old reincarnated male dragons.
Oh… Ignorance truly is bliss
Truly lol
Yep. Sadly it’s staggeringly common in the anime community 😔
hey, at least they aren’t lusting after real children
I agree there - i am pretty sure that this has more of a preventative effect than anything else. It also allows these people to actually realize that there’s something off before they come into a situation that might hurt someone. For sure better than not having much of a clue.
These things often happen out of the convenience of the situation, and i am pretty sure that there are many out there that realized they have these impulses and simply stay away from being alone with children altogether because they are in principle good people that do not want to do harm. But that needs some possible situation where you can realize that beforehand, and the loli-trope is for sure one of the best ways to find out.
I’d rather they be honest about their lust instead of trying to deny what everyone can clearly see.
Not if they are hiding it from themselves as well - in that case, much better that they just keep fantasizing about cartoons and accepting painted body pillows as the best irl option
They can only be honest with themselves if they realize it first, which needs some contact with it without the possibility to cause harm. And if they realize it and are decent people (having these impulses do not make you an awful person - only acting on them does), they will decide to stay away from being alone with children. Whether they then look at drawings or not does not make much of a difference afterwards.
There are no statistics for things like these that are really showing the amount of people who fight with this because of the social stigma and massive consequences attached to being outed as someone who finds children attractive, but i am sure it’s a lot bigger part of society than we all think - a big indicator is the all-time top porn category of “barely 18” and the amount of people who count down the days until a teen actor becomes “legal”.
With the demographic this comeback is aimed at: yes, likely pedophiles.
I mean I have seen people unironically claim the second scenario. And people seem to forever be attempting to claim 20+ year old women as ‘children’ whenever they are dating older men as well. Which, sure call the dude out for being gross, but don’t try to rob an adult of their own agency. That always came off as weirdly sexist against women to me. Like a grown woman couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted to make her own decisions. Which just felt like yet another way to control women, not actually protect them.
A 20 year old isn’t a child, but that doesn’t mean someone over double her age isn’t taking advantage of her youth and lack of experience.
What a weird place for you to take this conversation.
Agreed, I never understood this mentality. Not only is this extremely sexist (for no reason what so ever) but ageist aswell. I’ve seen this scenario occur on Lemmy (mainly .global), and the conclusion is always the same: the woman has the mental capacity of a 5yo.
Also, like other things, this behaviour muddies the waters in what pedophilia is - further straying off from its definition just to allow others to use it as an baseless insult and a deregatory term for the inflicted.
How is it sexist?
actually, who cares about sexual orientation in da big 26? Yeah! call me gay, I don’t care!
surprisingly I’ve never heard this (yet…)
miisha ur mania is hitting again 🥺
miisha ur mania is hitting again 🥺
Some things/people…it’s better to let them hit :3
Only hitting i will accept is ass slaps. Amd he better be hitting it right. 😏
Oh he’s hitting it right alright, and I’m not even talking about ass slaps 😂
Ass slaps are good too tho :3
Quickly! Get her to the local queer meetup before the mania is over! (She’s in dire need of IRL friends, and I can’t be there for her because of distance and parents)
I appreciate the efforts, I do, but could you please stop? I don’t feel like it. I’m just not doing it. Sorry
That’s pretty solid logic. I like it.
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When I started HRT, I noticed that gay dudes started to flirt with me.
Then after about a year, straight guys, even straight guys who knew me pre transition, started checking me out and flirting with me, and the gay guys lost interest.
It’s fucking hilarious listening to incels cite “biology” to explain their second hand stories about shit they have never experienced.
Only flaw I see here is the correlation between people who say dating a trans woman is gay and membership in the Grand Ole Pedo party
It’s not correlating the two, it’s comparing the two to make a point.
If the trans woman has a penis and the man is mostly into the penis, that circumstance still seems kind of homosexual to me.
I really didn’t make this post with the intention of arguing about the semantics of labels. But I just want you to know, I disagree with you.
And also…at least in my experience, men who are like that are usually chasers. Not all of them ofc, but I’ve had the pleasure before. Yuck…
What is a chaser? A man you’re with to get the taste of the last man out of your mouth?
Chasers are people who fetishize certain things and are pretty aggressive about it ie, “chubby chaser,” etc.
In this context, it’s someone who seeks out trans people. They’re usually toxic, af.
No.
Trans women are women.
Nobody is here to denigrate trans women. That wasn’t the purpose of my post.
I just think sometimes we forcefully rename things until it’s a purity test to say the naked emperor is actually fully dressed.
As a woman who is sexually attracted to men, I don’t think my appreciation for penis makes me a lesbian. I think sexual attraction to penis does not compute as anything other than sexual attraction to males.
Do I think a straight man can be with a trans woman with a penis and simply ignore it or work around it? Yes! I was just limiting my comment to the one circumstance. If the guy is there for the penis, that seems like sexual attraction to males (or as OP responded, to transexuals specifically).
And further, to OP’s post, if a man is with a small woman with no breasts to speak of, and no defined waist vs hips, and if he is with her specifically because her body reminds him of a child, then I think he is still kind of a pedophile.
But I also really don’t like comparing homosexuals to pedophiles, because I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a homosexual.
If a person is really into the idea of getting fucked by someone with a penis, but completely put off by the idea of that someone being a big, strong guy, then, is it accurate to describe that person as attracted to men? I would argue no, as that is essentially reducing sex entirely down to genitalia.
Now, I am sure that some would argue that this is a thing that doesn’t happen in practice, and that a man who is into dick but men is just in denial due to internalised homophobia. And I think that’s definitely true in at least some cases. But I think an alternative explanation is that the man may be one of the humblest of God’s creatures; the cishet male bottom.
Most? Many? Of the straight men I know still love and seemingly identify with the death by snu snu meme (https://youtu.be/3f8sjzETQ5o?is=i3xh1oKxWrloPu7j).
So yea, I thought our terms for sexuality were specifically denoting what genitalia you own and what genitalia you are interested in interacting with and nothing really about any of the other trappings that go with that genitalia. Gay men that like to be bottoms? Still homosexual. Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though. Still heterosexual unless it’s a real penis?
But, I’ve really argued beyond how strongly I feel about labels at this point.
Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though.
No. Men who enjoy being penetrated by women are still straight. Whether it’s a cis or trans woman, they’re still women.
I’ve pegged many straight men. They’re still straight after I fuck them because I am a woman.
People attracted to trans women as women aren’t fetishing their penis or are otherwise attracted to their penis for penis sake. They’re attracted to women.
Our genitalia is not the be-all end-all of attraction.
I mean, ideally that’s true. … But as a woman, it’s certainly been my experience that some men will reduce you to the immediate utility of your genitalia.
Plus, OP gave an example of “chasers” that DO reduce trans women to their genitalia.
Anyway, I was just coming up with an example to counter the meme, not to paint any demographic with broad brush strokes.
That’s why I specified “people attracted to trans women as women”.
The meme doesn’t need to be countered because men attracted to women aren’t homosexual.
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