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There are right ringers going around saying he was talking about abortion and not trans people.
They want so badly to be culturally relevant
So he hates us white cis men and wants to persecute us?! Is that what he’s saying?! Why is he being so hateful and intolerant? I’m never watching anything with him in it ever again!
You seemed to have forgotten your /s if you’re not intending this to reveal some inner dumbass
I thought it was obvious enough to not need it.
Nothing is obvious any more
In the times where the administration calls these people “very fine people”?
This can’t be serious.
This is Lemmy, everything is serious
Hi serious!
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be trans but I can imagine what it’s like to be part of a small, persecuted minority. They’re not asking for much, quite frankly nothing at all that affects me directly, so I’m feeling especially generous. I’ve never been to a trans story hour but you know who you don’t want reading to kids? My boring ass.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be trans
Here is a Lemmy post that explains it.
Plain common sense to me
Buffy the Vampire Slayer’s least toxic love interest.
Is this guy Mr Triangle?
You don’t have to “be a fan” in order to support someone’s right to exist.
I have a cousin who is transphobic in the sense that he is very uncomfortable around trans people. He cannot get past it and avoids interactions because he’s so uncomfortable. He also defends trans rights at every turn, publicly and without hesitation. Trans rights are human rights. Full stop.
I feel a bit similar with nonbinariness. Not uncomfortable but maybe unconvinced. But fucking hell, it’s not something worth hating anyone over. And like most things that I’m unconvinced by, it won’t prevent me from treating anyone politely. You’ve got to be a certain kind of fucked to let it get to you to that level, or worse, to whip up that kind of sentiment in others
I appreciate what you’re saying. It’d be great if more people were discerning with their placement of hate and understanding of how it propagates.
I do wonder if being ‘convinced’ is really all that important?
Personally, I think it’s sort of beside the point (which I think is exactly what you’re saying).
I guess what I’m wondering is: can we ever expect to be ‘convinced’ of every true experience? I think for me to be unabashedly ‘convinced’ of anything, I’d have to be able to identify with it personally. In a “I think therefore I am” sort of way. Your experience is the only one you know exists for sure yea?
Yet, I am consistently surprised as to the complexity of feelings when they become a reality for me. My takeaway is that I can’t hope to have true understanding of how any other person feels.
I can imagine what it’s like to lose a loved one, a pet, a job. I might judge someone based on their emotional response to an event. But, when it happens to me, I suddenly get it.
I get how much I could never ‘get’ before.
It is like adding a whole other dimension, a new axis, to my world. Think how a 3rd demensional object just just never be expressed in a 2d world. It’s like adding a new cone to your eye, or waking up and having the nose of a dog. There is just unfathomable complexity in the world, and we each take in just an extremely small portion of it at a time. New experiences, for me anyway, can often feel so novel in a ‘wow I was just so naive’ sort of way.
I just can’t trust my understanding of the complexity of human experience enough to think that I even have the capacity to imagine all of them.
How could someone who has never tried chocolate, really get what it tastes like? They just don’t, and can’t, not unless they actually experience it for themselves. And even then, no two experiences are quite the same; one person loves candy corn, the other hates it. Entirely different experience of taste, with the same stimuli.
All that is to say, I think that we are in agreement that whether or not we are “convinced” of any one reality, it’s really not the point. We just have to be convinced that our reality isn’t the only one.
We are all different! We will never get it all! But hopefully we can get that other people have different feelings than us, and that causing other people pain sucks!
So, be tolerant.
Well, I am more convinced about trans identity due to what I understand to be a strong medical consensus on gender dysphoria. As far as I understand there isn’t a similar consensus on dysphoria or something akin to it for people who identify as non-binary. So, I could be convinced of that to the same standard - or a higher standard, of course, because as you point out, I can’t be certain of anything. At one point I was in a similar position on trans people, but after a while learnt more.
We just have to be convinced that our reality isn’t the only one.
I think even this doesn’t quite capture it, for me! Because suppose I were convinced, actually, that non-binary people were just “making it up”, whatever that meant. Well, so what? It doesn’t affect much, really. It might lead me to hold some positions on practical things - maybe I would be pretty strongly opposed to medical or surgical intervention for nonbinary people, if that were what I thought. But it doesn’t mean I hate them, or want them to suffer, or die, or feel ashamed for what they have, in my opinion in this scenario, “made up.” You can think someone is wrong - even about their own mind and body - but disagree with them respectfully. Yes, it may make for uncomfortable conversations, or even strong disagreements over treatments, but that’s still a far cry from hatred, for which there is no need and little excuse*
So even though I think it doesn’t capture it, we end up agreeing in the conclusion, I think!
*Indoctrination is some partial excuse, but not total by any means.
Dysphoria isn’t necessary for one’s gender identity and expression to mismatch their sex, but it is a common experience. Gender expression itself is primarily a cultural social construct but that’s a whole other subject.
Yeah, the trans issue really isn’t on my personal pressing issue radar, but I’ll do what I can to shut any trans hate down when I witness it.
My partner was saying how it seems like most men cant look at a woman without also thinking about sex with them.
Idk how true that is but it might explain some of the anger towards trans women. Since men cant just think about them, men also have to think about having sex with them, and since so many men are extremely homophobic and dont consider trans women to be women, that would make them gay. And being being considered gay is worse than anything else in the world.
TL:DR Most men cant help but think about bangin’ trans women and they think that makes them gay. Which is a fate worse than death for them.
My other theory is that these people base their whole lives on conformity. The second they see people doing things outside the norm, and which bring them some semblance of joy, they get pissed off knowing that they are too weak to break out of the mold and be happy, too.
In reality, it’s a combination of many of these kinds of things. A LOT of anger often comes from sadness, and boy do these people hate letting themselves be happy.
My partner was saying how it seems like most men cant look at a woman without also thinking about sex with them.
As a man I feel that way sometimes, sex is always on my mind. But like, if I look at a woman I’m not attracted to I just … don’t want to have sex with them. They’re still a person who I can have platonic interactions with. Same for the vast majority of women who I would like to have sex with who don’t feel the same way about me. I think this is the part the misogynist/transphobic dudes struggle with, they can’t get over themselves. For me the sexual thoughts are more often annoying than anything else and they’re only one part of the “whole” that I think about women.
Ahhh! I like cocks! - them, probably
I don’t know how other men are but generally when I see someone (of any genre) there’s like an automatic evaluation - not in words or conscious - that flags like “are they a threat? Are they hot?” and a bunch of other stuff. It’s just part of the “what am I looking at?” reflex in the brain.
But I don’t, like, linger on it. Don’t play out in my head what sex would be like, or how to defend myself if they pulled a knife, or whatever.
To make a computer metaphor, some attributes are eagerly loaded and others lazily. I think attractiveness is eagerly loaded.
Also I’m comfortable enough not to feel threatened by finding people attractive.
I had a friend that, when talking about this, seemed like their brain didn’t eagerly load the same things. They didn’t “know” if someone was hot until they thought about it, and were confused how that information was just there for me.
My brain operates only on “are they a threat”, and within that is “are they a friend”. I can name only a handful of people I find attractive if I’m pressed, but it’s always on a “this human is art” level.
I’m aroace, though, which likely is why I don’t evaluate people for hotness
What dat mean, aroace
Aromantic asexual, not feeling / feeling little romantic and sexual arraction towards other people.
Huh, makes sense. Thanks for explaining
You might be on to something there. The frustration of cognitive dissonance can manifest as anger if people don’t know how to process it.
They think it makes them look strong
Even if they don’t care about looking strong, they also define themselves by the things they hate, and they get genuine pleasure from punching down.
You know, like a bad person!
Granted, the latter but about punching down is probably from the same inadequate corner of their brain as the “look strong” stuff.
Conformity >
moralityall
and healthcare
we want healthcare too
and education on the fact that we exist so that we can access the healthcare at the start of puberty in a timely manner
The masses need to wake up and realize that the things being denied to us are just a test run for things that will be denied them as well in due time.
Yep… It should be no surprise to anyone that the US-based far-right Christian group “ADF” has been pumping in £millions into the UK to fund anti-trans and anti-abortion lobbying and court cases (including the Supreme Court ruling on trans rights)… And have also been pumping money into UK law, and recently into the far-right Reform party who have argued against our current abortion rights laws (and Farage also previously having spoken with disdain on gay rights 🙄). Gotta love foreign interference in our politics, and in broad daylight.
The ADF was also the group responsible for the overturning of Roe V Wade and removing women’s constitutional right to abortion in the US… Go figure
More people need to be aware that the same people pushing for more and more restrictive laws on trans people, aren’t even hiding their motive to do the same for women as a whole - in fact they’ve already been doing so.
It’s easier to convince the public to remove a large group of people’s rights, once you’ve already set the precedent that it’s okay to take rights away from a different group. That’s why they first target the smaller more vulnerable group that’s has significantly less, if no voice in politics.
Trans rights are also deeply rooted in rights to Bodily Autonomy as deeply recognised by Women’s rights law organisations
It’s just sad that some women don’t realise they’re attacking the exact people who would be standing by their side when their rights are being threatened…
I’m still going to continue being vocal about women’s rights, especially when they start properly going after abortion rights… I just wish it was mutual :/
And decent employment is important too. Would kinda suck if future job security would delay important decisions.
Universal basic income would be even better, but that seems even more unlikely…
I thought this was about Gaza for a second.
Still applies.
Certainly does, but I would be equally interested in knowing his stance on Gaza, obviously he works with anti-palestinian companies since you can’t really avoid it and still be an actor working in the US, but seeing more actors take the Ruffalo route would be nice.
“Many such cases”
The occupy movement should have been way more specific about which one percent.
Cool, but iff this was true all around then he wouldn’t be working with Zionists.
Speedrunning lemmy ban world record.
Seems okay to me
In a brand new never before seen development, an .ml user is seeking ideological purity
Okay, that got an audible chuckle from me.
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When the Nazis love you because you divide and sabotage the left
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This is such a fun tankie bingo board moment. How did we get from Pedro Pascal to Ukraine? We gonna non sequitour our way to Iran next?
The “purity your way to achieving something” square remains empty…
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This seems more like an “if” situation than an “iff” situation. He could have other reasons to stop working with zionists.
Let’s not let perfection be the enemy of progress. He yet lives and may yet keep learning and growing.
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Perfection exists.
No it doesn’t. It’s an idea. It’s as far away from humanity as any integer is from infinity. Also, I can’t believe I have to tell you this, but Javier Bardem and Pedro Pascal are not the same person. They have lived different lives, had different experiences, learned and grew in different ways. If we just demonized people for not being there yet, your mother would have strangled you in the crib for shitting yourself instead of changing your diaper for you.
Your logic gave us genocide and Trump.
Yikes. Blocked.
Yikes. Blocked.
LPT: save yourself a lot of trouble by blocking as soon as you see the .ml instance
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Rich that someone posting on a marxist-leninist instance cares about ideological purity and genocide.
Holy shit, my sides
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You talking about his role in Wonder Woman 2?
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I just looked into this, Neil Druckmann set up the WLF-Seraphite conflict as the allegory. No dehumanization there, at least, and the WLF (IDF stand in) is shown repeatedly in a negative light. I won’t blame the guy for where he was born.
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Any idea of what the “L” stands for in “.ml”?
Lenin? Your point is going right over my head
Yeah, I figured it would.
You dont find anything odd in decrying genocide while repping someone whose government was responsible for similar attrocities?
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