Since there is insufficient cell differentiation at conception to produce any reproductive cells, does that mean that according to the white house, all people are legally non-binary now?
Female gametes are expressed first, so we’ve all been forced to be women
Are they expressed AT CONCEPTION?
This is what is expressed during conception.
Who would have thought that Trump would be the first female president of the United States
Actually, he’s the first agender president. Embryos don’t produce any gametes at conception. The idea that embryos are all female is a myth spread by people who don’t believe in nonbinary sex.
The idea that embryos are all female is a myth spread by people who don’t believe in nonbinary sex.
I’m struggling to understand what you mean here, are you talking about intersex?
They would be the better pronoun in this instance then.
Poggers
We did it, we broke the glass ceiling.
A little more seriously, we in fact start as non-binary instead of as female as it’s usually said. How nobody said that before?
Big Gender Binary is suppressing the narrative so that people don’t realise they used to be agender.
YOU KNOW WHO I WORRY ABOUT COMING INTO WOMEN’S BATHROOMS, CONSERVATIVES?
CIS MEN.
I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HAD A TRANS WOMAN MAKE ME FEEL UNSAFE IN THERE. BUT I HAVE HAD CIS MEN FOLLOW ME IN AND ATTEMPT ASSAULT.
MEN DON’T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CONVOLUTED STEPS OF TRANSITIONING TO GAIN ACCESS TO WOMEN’S BATHROOMS, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
MAYBE ADDRESS THAT FIRST? NO???
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
They believe that anyone can claim they’re a woman now and that’s it. And once it’s done they can just walk into women’s bathrooms. They’re just telling on themselves, projecting on trans people. They’re just sex obsessed freaks, all of them.
I know. I was raised in a fundie church. I did not escape unscathed. They’re fucked up perverts.
I grew up in a fundie church as well. No one escapes unscathed. Glad you got out. I hope you’re able to heal. Fuck Bill Gothard!
We just had a Nazi change her legal status to woman probably to fuck with the system and try to get into a women’s prison. Now she will probably be send to a male prison and referred to as a woman.
I’ve said that if I was wealthy, I would force legislation that was trans friendly by (as a cis woman) going into women’s bathrooms in Congress, standing on toilets, and staring at women.
Women’s bathrooms don’t have urinals! There’s no reason for anyone to be afraid of anyone seeing anything in there, unless they stand on toilets, and Im fully of the opinion that the gender of the person doing that has nothing to do with how creepy it is!!
Maybe if you’re actually worried, all bathrooms should be, I dunno, gender neutral with full doors that close all the way? For maximum safety?
And I believe nothing can get that point across quite like demonstrating that I, as an almost middle aged, fat woman who looks like I could safely run for a Rwpublican seat, standing on toilets and staring at people.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Maybe if you’re actually worried, all bathrooms should be, I dunno, gender neutral with full doors that close all the way? For maximum safety?
They made a bathroom at my university that’s gender neutral with stalls that are fully ceiling to floor with no gaps in the door.
And this is how it should be everywhere!
Kansas City airport also has this!
as an almost middle aged, fat woman who looks like I could safely run for a Rwpublican seat, standing on toilets
I’m kind of worried about your safety now, since public restrooms don’t generally have toilet lids. Perhaps bring a stool to safely appear to be standing on the toilet.
wait … so if I just walk through the door I’m suddenly in the women’s bathroom? no force field?
So we’re all female. Neat!
I’ve always wondered what it’s like.
Turns out, (according to the US government) I was experiencing it all along.
I wish at least I was female
Alright, I’ll keep my promise. All the homies can hit it.
I’ve been using the wrong bathrooms all this time. I need to start walking into women’s bathrooms, saying “it’s ok, Trump defined me as female”.
No, embryos don’t produce eggs.
Not with that attitude they don’t! 🙃
“You know what we mean!”
So we’re back to gender being a social construct then.
What about people who produce neither?
They usually handwave and claim “they don’t count” because they can’t reproduce, assuming that somehow means they can be ignored.
i don’t think embryos produce any reproductive cells right away so that handwave would have to cover… everyone
I especially like definitions that don’t even take menopause into account
It’s like “sorry, but you’re only a real female post puberty and pre menopause” like old grannies aren’t women 💀
Or both?
Embryos can’t produce gametes. Everyone is agender now.
wouldnt it be intersex since it’s talking about sex and not gender?
Republicans showing once again their cognitive prowess.
It’s the gamete crowd, but adapted for the crowd that can’t spell “gamete”.
Maybe I’m a late bloomer but I started producing reproduce cells long after conception
Maybe you didn’t have a gender until you started producing them? Which bathroom did you use?
and were they in the women’s or men’s section of the olympics?
when the fascists accidentally forcefem all of america:
*neuter
Embryos don’t produce gametes of any type.
Shush I want my forcefem
Alright then, take your pills, Alice.
Let me have this damn
Is… is that the actual wording?
Holy shit. Surely those who drafted this realize the importance of wording in legal documents. What an egregious error.
Why would you think that? These lines were written by fascists to appeal to morons. Proper wording only matters for those of us that live in reality.
Honestly, a part of me is wondering if this is a case of malicious compliance. Like, did one of these evil motherfuckers offload the task of drafting this onto someone with a human soul?
i was literally just thinking that! it feels like some trolling staffer(s) with a knowledge of biology got a jab in.
You’re giving them more credit than they’ve shown.
HA, good one!
Fuck you I’m a woman owned business now and also my DMV can’t issue liscences designated male without proof of… exogenesis? Parthogenisis? Some kind of nobel winning genesis?
Um. I am a trans woman and this deeply affects me as well. I believe you misread my intention here. What I said was far from a compliment.
ah shit. Bad wording. I’m sorry I didn’t mean for it to come off that way, just upset and didn’t mean to minimize. I can’t do much, but I can be a pain in the ass at the DMV tomorrow and force a case. Not much blowback on someone like me.
Ah, it’s all good :) I understand your meaning now.
thanks. sorry. I am upset an amount beyond the right I have, but also have the responsibility, to be.
Good news for you: embros don’t produce gametes at all. Everyone is now legally agender. You can refuse to issue female licences too.
I don’t get to refuse anything. I’m just complying with an order, or my state is saying, on record, they refuse to comply. All I can do is say the facts. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
I’m no biologist, but I’m pretty sure nobody produces gametes at conception. If you want to be pedantic, oocytes form before birth, but actual sperm and eggs don’t show up till puberty (feel free to correct me).
Now, I would LOVE if we don’t assign gender till puberty, but I still don’t like the method.
i’ve always thought the egg cells were produced before birth and at puberty they just start being released
and i agree about not assigning gender until puberty. kids before puberty barely even show any sexual dimorphism anyway. though i have to say there would need to be A LOT of educating people about sex and gender before we get there
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I would think “if you have a Y chromosome, you’re male” would be a better definition to fit what they’re trying to do
There’s like a not insignificant 1% of people who are intersex where looking at chromosomes can get tricky.
As if the right would care.
Yea it’s not perfect, but it’s somewhat functional. Compared to what they decided to go with.
You can be XY and present as female. There’s a handy little chart in this article to give you an overview of some of the more common things that happen between being an XX woman and being an XY man.
Surely there are also people who can produce both/neither reproductive cells. Definitely neither, at least.
Chromosomes are almost never tested at birth, and so 99% of people walking around don’t actually know what chromosomes they have. Enforcing any law based on chromosomes for purposes like this would be nearly impossible.
Nobody’s checking the size of sex gametes that embryos are producing at conception, either. Didn’t stop them from saying that.
What, are they going to start having people provide sperm or eggs at the DMV so that they can use a set of tiny calipers to figure out how to fill out the gender on your license?
the thing is that there is no good hard definition of sexes, the best you can do is just go “they fill the general role of male” but guess what! that includes trans people :))
Except for the people who have XXY and rarer combos
Yes, I never said it’s perfect. But it would work in most cases. Unlike their lazy definition
For fucks sake.
For fucks sake.
This is either AI slop. Ignorant because they think babies are made by god and immediately have genitals. Deliberately as anti science as possible to muddy things further.
Probably all 3.
Yup. At conception, I’m prettybsure there’s really fuck all going on - plus, how’s it getting measured? Most people aren’t that sure of their date of conception!
So then what? We look at the organs at birth? (Gender=sex)
they just need a time machine to travel back and test which gametes the single cell is producing. just wait until they discover it takes quite a bit until those are produced
unless they meant to say at birth, cause at conception it makes no sense. so what the heck happens to anyone who has both genitalia? what about people who can’t produce gametes? they have no idea what they’re doing lmao
also what were those definitions before?
Gotta gender the unborn too. Maybe it ties into abortion debates somehow.
Yes, it’s a fuster of clucks, for sure.
Now this would be fine if it was just a headline or something, but these dipshits made it legislation!
Thank god I live far, far away…
